Name five things you currently hate about Resident Evil...

Having no established villains for multiple games after Albert Wesker’s death.
A question but would you like to see carla again if capcom's interested to bring her back? Her fate is left on some kind of a cliffhanger or at least it feels like it. Did you check the thread that ı created about her? She could be the next mainstay villain for couple games, this would be refreshing too since she has nothing to do with wesker, umbrella, project w, spencer etc. I like her a lot more than " she-wesker " .
 
Outside of RE5/RE6, I don't see any point to calling the overall RE series action/adventure
Well if you think this way, then you might as well say capcom returned to re1's roots with those games. Since the magazines for re1 list the game's genre as action / arcade adventure. Lets say survival horror " became " a game genre sometime after re1 for a replacement for action-adventure. If people think re5 and re6 are the death of survival horror; then without being aware of it, they would be saying " The franchise returned to roots! " or something like that. They would be actually praising those games despite their intention being negative.

Personally ı never liked the " Return to roots " statement said for games released after re6. Cause the franchise never went away from its roots and even if it was; it doesnt seem like a bad thing cause the change seems satisfying for previously explained reasons. This is one of the reasons why ı have some disdain against rerev games cause their selling point seems to be " horror " for fans who dislike many of the action aspects of re5 and re6. They dont seem to have much value storywise either, at least not as interesting as chronicles games in this aspect imo.
 
What does " hollywood " and " indie " mean exactly? I understand re6 gives a similar feeling that degeneration and damnation do but it has a reason to do so. Btw you forgot to include outbreak games which are very unique games that have similar camera style to recv.
 
Indie, meaning new, or not established. Not that they were ever really indie. But I meant that they were fresh and yet to receive the doing over that would occur later in their lifespan.

And "Hollywood" meaning Michael Bay style explosions, cutting and pasting prior ideas in an attempt to cater to multiple fans, and lots and lots of cheesy action hero phrases. 😁
 
Well ı would say re4 and especially re6 also feel fresh with their changes. Re5 not so much since it's too similar to re4. Not that that's a bad thing but as a product; it doesnt make it as interesting or unique as re6 imo.

And ı never liked micheal bay statements, especially when it's said for re6. I didnt watch those movies nor that ı'm interested. But ı think those movies are mindless. I wouldnt call 4 / 5 / 6 mindless personally, they have plenty of horror elements too just like having a lot of action. Capcom was always catering to new fans, starting with re2 or even re1 director's cut. And the franchise was always cheesy, intentional or not.

" You cant kill me! "

" You lose, big guy! "

" Hey! It's up to us to take out umbrella! "

" All the foxy ladies love my accent, it drives them crazy! "

" You want stars? I'll give you stars! "

" Your knight in shining armor is here! "

Just some examples of cheesy lines.
 
A question but would you like to see carla again if capcom's interested to bring her back? Her fate is left on some kind of a cliffhanger or at least it feels like it. Did you check the thread that ı created about her? She could be the next mainstay villain for couple games, this would be refreshing too since she has nothing to do with wesker, umbrella, project w, spencer etc. I like her a lot more than " she-wesker " .
She was the least developed character in RE6 so I am indifferent if she comes back but that would be more interesting than the mold returning again. All we know is that she was a genius scientist who continued Birkin and Alexia's work and she really wanted in Simmons pants to the point of becoming his crush. The way she was "killed off" by liquid nitrogen was sloppy since it seemed she could clone herself infinitely and was becoming apart of the ship. Maybe The Family/US Government took samples of her body so her or Wesker could come back again by cloning.

I think Capcom won't bother though since they want to keep newer mainline games as fresh as possible, even if it means bringing in aliens.
 
I think the series has become like other things about zombies, in that it has gone on so long, the story is more convuluted than exciting.

In the earliest episodes of the The Walking Dead for example, you had just a group of characters, who had to come together to survive. Now many, many groups have came together. Nobody knows who a lot of characters are any more, as they just come out of the blue in rather forced upon ways. You're supposed to believe the main cast has known a massive black guy called Duncan, for years. Yet he dies in one brief scene. That caused some people to make snide memes about how they're gonna be "missed" and all.

In RE, they make so many plot threads and viruses, that even if you wanted an argument you could win, how could you achieve that? :D
 

Tyrant

BSAA North America
then you might as well say capcom returned to re1's roots with those games. Since the magazines for re1 list the game's genre as action / arcade adventure. Lets say survival horror " became " a game genre sometime after re1 for a replacement for action-adventure. If people think re5 and re6 are the death of survival horror; then without being aware of it, they would be saying " The franchise returned to roots! "

I think you are taking these 90's indie magazines way too literally. They just used a term that people were familiar with before this new genre was coined.

But, without even utilizing the term Survival Horror, (just forget the "official" genre for a second) the fact of the matter is that the first Resident Evil games are horror games first and foremost. Their main MO was to illicit intense feelings of fear and claustrophobia. To give players a real feeling of barely surviving crippling odds. To limit the amount of times they can fuck up before realizing that cost them their life/progress. To shroud them in atmosphere. To tell them a narrative grotesque proportions.

RE6 didnt do those things the same way. Is it horror game? Sure. Does it fit the mold of what those earlier RE games standardized? Not one bit. And the majority of long time players realized this. Capcom realized this. You had more freedom, more jumping, more running, more bullets, more explosions, more ACTION. It was indeed very different than Sweet Home, Clock Tower, Silent Hill, and any Resident Evil before it. It doesn't make it bad. But people who have been playing this series from the start all noticed it was not the same thing. It is because it isn't. Semantics be damned.

Does RE6 belong in RE? Thats up to the player to decide. I personally think it does. I wish it did a lot of things more traditionally though. And I sure as hell ain't going to pretend that it's the same thing that came before because it isnt.

I think you like RE6 a whole lot and you are trying to justify its existence among its predecessors. Which you shouldnt have to.

As a "made up" genre, Survival Horror for a long time has been something extremely specific to a lot of players. Whether or not it is "real". There is also wiggle room in genre. Genres become redefined with time. Maybe RE6 can be deemed Survival Horror by contemporary standards. But at the time it wasn't. It was an action game in the way that RE games before were not. Much like how the first RE games were horror games like most action games were not. RE6 shared much more DNA with pure action games and shooters and run and gun titles. Which was the problem with fans in the first place and Capcom even admitted it with its "return to roots" campaign.
 
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Well, Alien is a horror film. So the same formula has been applied to Resident Evil beginning as horror, and then becoming rather daft later on.

Aliens is more of an epic action drama, with shades of horror. I don't agree when people say it is not a horror film. It is very terrifying to first time viewers. The rest are crap.

Too many horror franchises turn dumb, like Leprechaun, Friday the 13th, and so on. But the main villain is a hoot to witness, which is why they still appeal to fans for a while, until even they lose interest when the actor gets old, or the story becomes integrated with reality. Like real life rappers appearing. Oh my God...
 

Tyrant

BSAA North America
Alien franchise is a good analogy.

The franchise, overall, is considered Sci-fi/Horror.

Just because the second one, Aliens, is also an action movie, doesnt make it not a horror adjacent film. And it doesnt mean we should classify the rest of the franchise as action films just because they had hints of action but one in particular went all out on it.

Its also all so moot. RE is Survival Horror in its DNA and at its roots, whether or not the term was made up by the company who birthed these games. Survival Horror defines the small sect of games that had similar playstyles that were unique among other horror games and differentiated themselves from action/adventure games. It was never action/adventure until it WAS action/adventure. Thats why there are so many people who rag on the title or two that went that direction. There is merit to these complaints is all I am saying.
 
I think you are taking these 90's indie magazines way too literally. They just used a term that people were familiar with before this new genre was coined.

But, without even utilizing the term Survival Horror, (just forget the "official" genre for a second) the fact of the matter is that the first Resident Evil games are horror games first and foremost. Their main MO was to illicit intense feelings of fear and claustrophobia. To give players a real feeling of barely surviving crippling odds. To limit the amount of times they can fuck up before realizing that cost them their life/progress. To shroud them in atmosphere. To tell them a narrative grotesque proportions.

RE6 didnt do those things the same way. Is it horror game? Sure. Does it fit the mold of what those earlier RE games standardized? Not one bit. And the majority of long time players realized this. Capcom realized this. You had more freedom, more jumping, more running, more bullets, more explosions, more ACTION. It was indeed very different than Sweet Home, Clock Tower, Silent Hill, and any Resident Evil before it. It doesn't make it bad. But people who have been playing this series from the start all noticed it was not the same thing. It is because it isn't. Semantics be damned.

Does RE6 belong in RE? Thats up to the player to decide. I personally think it does. I wish it did a lot of things more traditionally though. And I sure as hell ain't going to pretend that it's the same thing that came before because it isnt.

I think you like RE6 a whole lot and you are trying to justify its existence among its predecessors. Which you shouldnt have to.

As a "made up" genre, Survival Horror for a long time has been something extremely specific to a lot of players. Whether or not it is "real". There is also wiggle room in genre. Genres become redefined with time. Maybe RE6 can be deemed Survival Horror by contemporary standards. But at the time it wasn't. It was an action game in the way that RE games before were not. Much like how the first RE games were horror games like most action games were not. RE6 shared much more DNA with pure action games and shooters and run and gun titles. Which was the problem with fans in the first place and Capcom even admitted it with its "return to roots" campaign.
I understand the points you make. Yes horror is important but ı feel like horror and " survival horror " are somewhat exaggerated by fans, especially for some games. While for other like re6; they was downplayed. Like ı said; " horror " / " survival horror " aspect of re6 worked for me since it was the 1st re game that ı played and the monsters looked threatening at that time.

I'm aware the game is extremely different but it feels like a good thing. Plus they've been making changes for the franchise starting with re2. Many of the entries before re6 feel similar despite having plenty of differences cause they wanted to keep the limitations for those games, even for re4 and re5. With re6, it was the right time to go with freedom approach. That makes the game more fresh and new.

Also...

RE is Survival Horror in its DNA
I wouldnt say that. I would say resident evil's " dna " is biohazard. Cause that's the actual name of the franchise and in japan, that's how the entries are called. That feels like the main theme of the franchise as well.

" Survival horror " isnt used for many of the entries in the franchise. Some use different marketing terms. Those entries are usually ignored and downplayed cause they are spinoffs. This is a big problem for chronicles games cause they are very valuable storywise.

There is merit to these complaints is all I am saying.
You might disagree with me on this but ı dont think there's really any merit when it comes to complaints made for re6. I've read many negative opinions and they come off as confusing with fans sounding like they dont know what they want. I wouldnt take them that much seriously.
 
It's just a fact that re6 haters are the dumbest as well as the most obnoxious fans in the community and gaming. After what happened in project umbrella server, ı'm not gonna join there again. It's a shame, ı like news bot a lot and ı like to support him as much as ı can but it's impossible to do this when some people are assholes. Some re wiki admins are just rude and have no respect. They act like clowns really. I was considering to join there too but ı immediately buried that idea after those assholes acted like clowns.

There's also the fact that shotaro suga passed away and capcom lost a very important person. His era is my favourite and ı really like his work on resident evil. Honestly ı feel like resident evil ı know and love ended after his death, it's so tragic and ı still cant get over it. Meanwhile so called " fans " ( ! ) dont know this and when this is told, they try to downplay this in an extremely disgusting attempt. I have no words on this really.

I remember, during the time ı was lurking on project umbrella server, someone said something like " Re6 is worst cause it's a combo of sasaki and suga. Its fate was automatically doomed. " . I dont even know what that means. I was also in re wiki server and someone was making fun of sasaki and his work just cause his ideas are ambitious? What's even wrong with being ambitious? It feels like a satisfying boasting for biohazard brand, the actual name of the franchise. Outbreak games were great improvements from past entries and re6 is easily best re game in the series. The haters are purely blinded by nostalgia and when the entries released after it are praised, at the same time, they cant resist bullying re6 at the same time.

Couldnt c-virus really become the next generation virus which leon says in darkside chronicles? T-virus, despite not being a big fan of it, was iconic cause after re1, which introduced it, it came back for a lot of titles to be used. C-virus came back in marhawa desire but not any other re game other than re6. This feels like a disservice to shotaro suga.

I dont even care if ı'm seen as an asshole, rude, fanboy or any other childish statement one can think. I'm going to stick to my beliefs, even if this requires for me to go more into darkness even though ı didnt want to become this way.

Seriously why did ı even become a fan in the 1st place? I cant find an answer to this. Sometime in 2015-2016, ı was curious and wanted to know more entries. I guess ı'm paying for my curiosity now? I wonder when the franchise is ever gonna end; what's even the point of fighting? It feels more and more pointless. I dont think heroes are gonna win, it's pointless. The villains are gonna win ı guess and due to this, ı would rather not bother touching any of the entries released after re6. I'll just keep sticking to shotaro suga's work.
 
I would rather not join discord servers when it comes to resident evil tbh. It's very hard to keep up with replies and it's hard to reply to someone else. The structure is awkward. For project umbrella, ı created 2 threads there but they were no use. None replied and cared. I guess twitter is everyone's favourite even though ı'm not a fan of that either. I guess ı'll keep sticking to biohaze for mine main source of place to use.

I dont think an actual forum for it will be created either. And even if ı joined there and tried to keep it up, chances are some random asshole would try to annoy me. So ı would rather just forget about project umbrella having its forum and not care.

I also cant stand something. There seems to be some kind of a... Idk if that's the word to use but... Hivemind? Family? Cult? For re7 anyway. I saw people talking behind others who dont like re7. Ok ı understand someone not liking a game you like can bother the person who likes that said game. Ok but when ı did this for re6; my actions are criticised. That feels like double standards to me.

" People who enjoy re7 " and " People who are wrong " I remember seeing something like this said in that server.

So when ı did this for re6; ( " People who enjoy re6 " and " People who are wrong " ) instead my actions were criticised. Do they still have some kind of a disdain against the game or something? They cant stand praising the ones released after re6 without bashing the game. That feels as bad as gamefaqs and reddit. Ugh why does the fanbase hate my favourite masterpiece? Why do ı feel like the fan with some of the worst luck when it comes to resident evil?

I'm a big fan of news bot. I also have some other friends from project umbrella. But some, mainly re wiki admins, act like assholes. And ı'm sorry but re wiki is a giant mess. It can be edited by anyone. I still rely on it for some info but it's really not that good.

I honestly wonder if the divide within the fanbase is really worth it. It can lead to pointless arguments and a lot of unhealthy situations like what happened yesterday.
 
Alien franchise is a good analogy.

The franchise, overall, is considered Sci-fi/Horror.

Just because the second one, Aliens, is also an action movie, doesnt make it not a horror adjacent film. And it doesnt mean we should classify the rest of the franchise as action films just because they had hints of action but one in particular went all out on it.

Its also all so moot. RE is Survival Horror in its DNA and at its roots, whether or not the term was made up by the company who birthed these games. Survival Horror defines the small sect of games that had similar playstyles that were unique among other horror games and differentiated themselves from action/adventure games. It was never action/adventure until it WAS action/adventure. Thats why there are so many people who rag on the title or two that went that direction. There is merit to these complaints is all I am saying.
I personally dont watch many movies. However a friend of mine said this to me and ı agree with it:

" I genuinely think people get so stuck on how the REmake made them feel that they forget what RE has always been like. The slow-paced horror works, but it's not really the heart of the series nor has it ever been. Even with the new games, they slip into series tropes very often that people typically dislike (but not when these do it, of course). In my mind, the series has always fallen somewhere between Romero's Dead series, the Alien series, and the Terminator series. RE6 does a good job of portraying that. "
 
It's just a fact that re6 haters are the dumbest as well as the most obnoxious fans in the community and gaming. After what happened in project umbrella server, ı'm not gonna join there again.

The people you started arguing with actually like Resident Evil 6. Even I like Resident Evil 6, but you're so obsessed with fighting some abstract haters that you're only hurting yourself. And the people here, unfortunately, can't see how far you've come in this to stop stimulating you.

It's not the criticism of Resident Evil 6 that is the real core of your frustration, but your dependence on other people's opinions and the desire to prove something to people.

I'm not trying to justify the rudeness they said to you. They were really rude, in my opinion. But try to understand that they were annoyed by the fact that you incredibly often raise the topic of some haters of your favorite game.

I also cant stand something. There seems to be some kind of a... Idk if that's the word to use but... Hivemind? Family? Cult? For re7 anyway. I saw people talking behind others who dont like re7. Ok ı understand someone not liking a game you like can bother the person who likes that said game. Ok but when ı did this for re6; my actions are criticised. That feels like double standards to me.

This, as you say, "cult" is just a local joke on the server. We fight each other in a playful way because we are friends. But you, not knowing the context, took these jokes seriously and started focusing on the drama related to Resident Evil 6 again. And this situation only proves once again that you are moving in an unhealthy direction. It won't end well for you if you don't pull yourself together and think about how you can change the situation. Escaping from problems, ignoring someone and becoming overgrown with hatred for people, games and even words will not make your life better. Only a more frivolous attitude to things around you will make your life better.

I wish you all the best, Mert. You might ignore this message, but at least I tried to do something. Only you can really help yourself.
 
I sometimes find it hard to engage with the RE community too, especially after that nonsense with Nemesis on YouTube. But at the end of the day, Capcom is content to keep doing half-assed remakes, go back to 1998 with tacky online games, and bring back characters in weird ways, to milk the franchise into the ground.

So I gave up caring, since people are not swayed by a reality check. Now I just judge the games once I play them, knowing I will probably be a bit amused, but more so disappointed.

In fact, I do think Naughty Dog is better than Capcom, when it comes to delivering a superb experience.
 
Yeah arguments in community are kinda pointless tbh. I would rather find more friends about things that ı like rather than go after people. Which ı didnt do in server, ı simply was mentioning how the hate bandwagon for re6 was bothering me while being made for the sake of it in a mindless way. I wanted to support the server and simply share my opinion. I still dont know why would anyone justify 0 scores for the game made on metacritic. Like ı said; some people are assholes and downright rude. I saw that admin's posts when ı was on re wiki server, he acts like a clown. I dont even know how he would like re6, he most likely " enjoys " the game in an obnoxious " So bad it's good. " kind of way. Well that's more reason for me to grow more disdain for rerev games and re engine games really.

I think project umbrella is much better than re wiki which is a mess. Project umbrella is very focused while re wiki is all over the place. However one thing that bothers me is... Why is there no interview about shotaro suga? Just any comment or opinion he makes on an entry he worked on as a writer. So far there seems to be still none. Degeneration was released in 2008 and his last works were released in 2012. And he passed away in 2015. Nothing about him is known. I'm curious and want to know about him. Wasnt he the one who added that " Carry on " dialogue for ada in damnation? Leon and ada seems to spent a special night with each other between re4 and damnation.

I saw news bot mentioning that he got some japanese articles to translate. I remember him mentioning re6. I wonder if any of them is about shotaro suga. I saw someone making a claim on internet that suga seems to get depressed whenever someone mentioned him about re6's script. I'm not sure if that's true and ı dont remember the exact reasons but most likely it's due to reception of the game received.

Maybe ı should ask more about shotaro suga to news bot and thebatman on discord. Do they know anything about him? He's my favourite writer from capcom.
 
I wish you all the best, Mert. You might ignore this message, but at least I tried to do something. Only you can really help yourself.
Thanks. Yeah ı'll try to get better but it's extremely hard. I'm very serious person in real life and ı dont make jokes that much.

As for re6; while ı dont care much for the hate bandwagon these days, ı still find it disgusting. I browsed through internet a lot and saw so many unfair criticisms of re6, it's like they attached to my brain like a parasite and ı cant rip them off. Maybe a very blunt statement to say but that's how it feels like.
 
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