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Who will you vote for and/or support?

Ron Paul 100%  100%  [ 6 ]
Mitt Romney 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Newt Gingrich 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Michele Bachmann 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Rick Perry 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Rick Santorum 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jon Huntsman Jr. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Buddy Roemer 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 18:13 
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The Commission isn't elected. Just as the mystery man wasn't elected, nobody even knows who he is, yet he is calling the shots.


Hm. No.

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One of the 27 is the Commission President (currently José Manuel Durão Barroso) proposed by the European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Council then appoints the other 26 members of the Commission in agreement with the nominated President, and then the 27 members as a single body are subject to a vote of approval by the European Parliament.


The European Council (heads of each member state) is the actual presidential body of the EU. All of them are voted into their posts by their respective countries. They appoint the Commission.

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The European Council is an institution of the European Union. It comprises the heads of state or government of the EU member states, along with the President of the European Commission and the President of the European Council, currently Herman Van Rompuy. The High Representative for Foreign Affairs, currently Catherine Ashton, takes part in its meetings. While the European Council has no formal legislative power, it is charged under the Treaty of Lisbon with defining "the general political directions and priorities" of the Union. It is thus the Union's strategic (and crisis solving) body, acting as the collective presidency of the EU.


Herman Van Rompuy WAS voted and agreed as President of the European Council by... the European Council. And he was Prime Minister of Belgium. Hardly unknown except to right-wing crackpots like Nigel Farage who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves as it is, and are almost as ignorant as you are, because;

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The President of the European Council, currently Herman Van Rompuy of Belgium, is elected for a once-renewable term of two and a half years.


Again, ignorance and refusal to read basic information lest it taint your repugnant fantasy views of the world.

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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 19:16 
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The Commission isn't elected. Just as the mystery man wasn't elected, nobody even knows who he is, yet he is calling the shots.


You're right. I got 'Commission' and 'Council' confused. The Council is, however, the head of each EU Member State. And all the EU countries have an electoral system at least as democratic as the US. But we've been through this. The Council is the leader (the President, if you will) of each member nation. The Parliament is made up of MEP's voted for by region in each country. The Commission is proposed by the Council (who we elected) and yay or nayed by the Parliament (who we also voted for).

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Very clever! Now, maybe you should trying quoting the whole thing?

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Noun:
A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...
(in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 21:59 
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right-wing crackpots like Nigel Farage

That just invalidated anything you've ever said and will ever say. Nigel Farage is one of the select few people from your country who have what it takes to fight for freedom, democracy, and British sovereignty. He leads the third largest political party and the Europe of Freedom and Democracy parliamentary group. Problem, News Bot?


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 22:20 
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That just invalidated anything you've ever said and will ever say. Nigel Farage is one of the select few people from your country who have what it takes to fight for freedom, democracy, and British sovereignty. He leads the third largest political party and the Europe of Freedom and Democracy parliamentary group. Problem, News Bot?


I'm from Northern Ireland, Farage is not from "my country". The United Kingdom as a whole, not just Britain, is already sovereign, democratic and free. Much more so than the United States at this point. Maybe if you didn't have a stars and stripes blindfold on you'd be able to see that. Farage, while he does make valid points, is a douchebag that takes those points to misconstrued and wholly untrue levels. His embarrassing meltdown at Van Rompuy only highlighted just where his interests lay: himself.

I don't agree with many things about the European Union. But I would not go so far as to make up completely frivolous nonsense to try and boost my argument, which is all you personally ever do. This topic is only one of many which contains evidence to just how much of a politically retarded tit you are.

Please reply to the rest of my post and attempt to back up your claims with actual sources.

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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 22:23 
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Ununoctium wrote:
That just invalidated anything you've ever said and will ever say. Nigel Farage is one of the select few people from your country who have what it takes to fight for freedom, democracy, and British sovereignty. He leads the third largest political party and the Europe of Freedom and Democracy parliamentary group. Problem, News Bot?


I'm from Northern Ireland, Farage is not from "my country". The United Kingdom as a whole, not just Britain, is already sovereign, democratic and free. Much more so than the United States at this point. Maybe if you didn't have a stars and stripes blindfold on you'd be able to see that. Farage, while he does make valid points, is a douchebag that takes those points to misconstrued and wholly untrue levels. His embarrassing meltdown at Van Rompuy only highlighted just where his interests lay: himself.

I don't agree with many things about the European Union. But I would not go so far as to make up completely frivolous nonsense to try and boost my argument, which is all you personally ever do. This topic is only one of many which contains evidence to just how much of a politically retarded tit you are.

Actually over 75% of British laws come from dictators in Belgium, I would hardly call that "sovereign and free democracy." Where is your proof that he is some flat-out liar douche bag? The United Kingdom is a country made up of four constituent countries, of which Ulster (Northern Ireland) is a member.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 22:34 
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Actually over 75% of British laws come from dictators in Belgium, I would hardly call that "sovereign and free democracy."


Such as? Provide sources.

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Where is your proof that he is some flat-out liar douche bag?


Did not call him a liar, only that some of his claims are incorrect, which is the case for most politicians. As for being a douchebag; that's what he is.

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The United Kingdom is a country made up of four constituent countries, of which Ulster (Northern Ireland) is a member.


Congratulations on revising the teaching lesson I gave you in the Korean language topic.

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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 22:49 
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Most statistics put it at between 75% and 90%:
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/is- ... ssels/1498
http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=9479
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 828AAyrTad


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 22:53 
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No one agrees on how much legislation and regulation stems from the EU. The 9.1% figure stated by the House of Commons Library is too low, as it only covers Statutory Instruments, not ALL laws; the higher figures of 84%, 75% and even 50% claimed by the likes of Hannan, Farrage and Cameron are based on miscalculations, misunderstandings, or sources unknown, and often derive from parts of the EU other than just the UK – and so with no hard evidence to support them must be dismissed as either too high or inapplicable to the British situation.

What is the true figure? No one knows. So any claims that state hard and fast percentages should – if we’re being intellectually honest – be treated with equal suspicion.

Update, October 2010:

The House of Commons Library has published a new, much more comprehensive study of the percentage of UK laws that originate from the EU. It is freely available as a PDF and despite running to 59 pages I’d strongly recommend reading it in full.

Its conclusion? The true figure is around 15%.


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The fact the UKIP figure was based on a six-year old German analysis, which in itself had flaws, is enough to suggest this claim is a step too far.

Clearly this is a complex issue, and difficult to prove, but there is a lack of evidence to suggest 75 per cent, or even half, of the UK’s laws now come from Brussels.


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Many attempts have been made to calculate the impact on domestic legislation of EU requirements. This paper has highlighted some of the most significant – and often erroneous - claims. The international comparisons – with other Member States – are compelling because they support the view that approximately 10 per cent of British laws originate in Brussels.

An important aspect of this debate is that EU legislation is often described in the UK as being "imposed by Brussels" when EU legislation is extensively considered and debated by elected bodies, for example the European Parliament and the governments of the Member States. About three-quarters of EU laws have to be approved by the European Parliament as well as by the Council of Ministers in the co-decision procedure; that will increase to almost all EU laws with the passing of the Treaty of Lisbon.


Please tell me you read your own sources before posting them.

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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 23:04 
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One incoherent and extremely biased pro-dictatorship blog is hardly "proof" of anything.


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 Post subject: Re: GOP Primaries 2012
PostPosted: Jan 01, 2012 23:09 
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One incoherent and extremely biased pro-dictatorship blog is hardly "proof" of anything.


Why did you use it as a source then? And why do the rest of your sources say the same thing? The only source which spews the 75% statistic as fact is that book, which does not back up or cite any evidence to support it. Just because it is a book does not mean it is true. Oh, and some random fuckwit on Yahoo Answers who I highly doubt is a political analyst.

Ergo; it's not true.

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