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PostPosted: Nov 15, 2009 12:27 
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Yeah so Capcom left a pretty big mess with the ending of Seperate Ways and the story of Resident Evil 5. Let us begin:

1) In the English version of Resident Evil 4, we are led to believe that there is a "Master Plaga" specimen which is of dire importance to three groups: Albert Wesker, the Los Illuminados, and The Organization. Ada Wong is sent to retrieve it by Wesker and the Organization, but is secretly working against Wesker.

2) This is actually complete bullshit, at least until we finish this. Ada retrieves 8 Plaga samples (in the Japanese version, known as "kiseitai", parasite body), and retrieves the "sample" which is of major importance (known as "shihaishu", dominant species). It just so happens that Master and Control mean the same thing here. Go figure.

3) The English version of Seperate Ways explicitly states that The Organization requires samples of the parasites themselves to conduct tests and confirm or disprove theories concerning how they work. Wesker also wants them for more sinister ends. According to the English ending, Ada sends Wesker "a different present, just as the Organization ordered". In the Japanese version, this reads "I gave Wesker another present. As per the orders of the "organization"". So Ada retrieves the samples and sends Wesker something else. All fine and dandy for now... then come RE5.

4) From the very offset, it is apparent that Tricell and Albert Wesker have managed to get Las Plagas. Including Control Plagas. How? Didn't Ada send Wesker a "different present"? Well, we'll come to that soon. In the official Resident Evil 5 guide, it is also mentioned by the developers that Wesker managed to get Las Plagas from a side-game in Resident Evil 4. This is backed up by what is seen in the game, and also by the loading screen timeline which says he got them from Ada Wong.

5) Pretty messed up so far isn't it? Well blame Capcom's piss-poor knack at explaining things. Lets take to the skies! I mean the guides.

6) Alright, since we have begun translating the Biohazard Kaitashinsho guides we have discovered some of the most interesting information that, to be honest, blew my fucking balls to bits. Whats sad is that this information is completely lost to the majority of the population since, y'know, we can't read Japanese (though some of us are trying to learn!). We at Project Umbrella are essentially making it our mission to bring this information out of the rut and make it available to EVERYONE. So far, we're succeeding. With the help of the Biohazard 5 Kaitaishinsho guide, we have solved this plot hole. And with a single enemy bio, no less:

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Irving Transformed

When facing Chris and Sheva, Irving injected himself with the embryo of the "Control Plagas" parasite in the way of solution, and transformed into a giant aquatic creature. Because it has obvious differences in appearance with the parasite used by the chief plotter in the South Europe Incident, it is supposed to be a modified subordinate Plagas parasite similar to those in that incident. However, it also has some characteristics of the Control Plagas. Injecting the parasite won't make the host lose his mind, and makes it possible to control the parasite with the host's will. The new type of Plagas have had other ways to control and command, so the purpose of its development is only to improve its fighting abilities.


Did I just blow your fucking mind, or did I just blow your fucking mind? Yes you heard that right. There is an entirely new type of Plagas that has gone unmentioned for two complete games. And here we have it in a single enemy bio. THX CAPCOM

7) So how does this bio solve this entire debacle? Well to begin, the bio outright states that Saddler had a Control Plaga, and that the one injected by Irving appeared different. But didn't Wesker get the Control Plaga, shouldn't they not have to mention this? Well, no. Read on. It mentions that the Plaga injected by Irving is actually a modified Subordinate Plaga "similar to those in that incident" (this quote refers to Bitores Mendez and Ramon Salazar, who were initially believed to have Control Plagas as well). It has characteristics of the Control Plagas, in that injection won't cause the host to lose his mind. Seem familiar? Oh, and apparently the Control Plaga isn't even used to control other Plagas in RE5, as they have "had other ways to control and command" the new types of Plagas. This is backed up by one of the files in the game which state that Control Plagas aren't actually needed to control the Majini.

8) Mind blown. So back to RE4. This modified Subordinate Plaga has actually existed before RE5, and is present in RE4 as stated by the bio. Though you wouldn't know that with Capcom's exceptional story-telling. So, now we can pin-point that there are actually only TWO "real" Control Plagas in the series. One was injected into Osmund Saddler, as implied by the bio, and the other was retrieved by Ada. So THATS why they called it their "lifeblood", and why they were so intent on getting it back. It was one-of-a-kind. In the English version of RE4, Jack Krauser states that his mission is to retrieve "the sample Saddler developed, thats all". In the Japanese version, Krauser actually says "raised", as in bred or cultivated. Its importance just went up a few nothces, dont you think?

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10) Time for the finalé. What does all this mean? We have a Control Plaga imposter type Plaga... imposter you say? Didn't Ada say, rather sarcastically, that she sent Wesker a "different" present? Wouldn't Wesker make it his mission to hunt her down and choke a bitch if he knew she screwed him over? What if he didn't know? Wouldn't it be pretty stupid if the Organization ordered Ada to send Wesker (a traitor with an alliance with a rival company, Tricell at the time) something that could potentially shift the balance of the world rather quickly? Yeah it would be stupid but hey Capcom don't seem to want to make you aware of it.

Bottom line? Ada sent Wesker the modified Subordinate Plagas, which has some characteristics of the Control Plaga. She kept the real, purebred Control Plaga and gave it to the Organization. Now doesn't that make more sense than the clusterfuck we were left with?

Hope this was as informative for you any of you as it was for my plot-obsessed ass. Word to Capcom; stop screwing us over please. ;_;


Special Thanks to Prime Blue for bringing the colossal fuck-up to my attention, and much more thanks to BioTech who made the solution possible.

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PostPosted: Nov 15, 2009 13:01 
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GREAT post. Interesting. So I guess that leaves us wondering where the hell is Ada, the Organization and the real sample...and what are their plans.

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PostPosted: Nov 15, 2009 15:15 
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Really great News Bot, blew my mind off the fucking ball park when I was reading this. Just like Beasley said, all that's left is Ada, the Organization, and the real sample.

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Excellent post there :smile: and the ones to blame here is the translators. well it isnt the 1st time this had happended and wont be the last.

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Blew my mind? Understatement of the year. More than that. Great find!

Biohazard 5 made Separate Ways seem meaningless and invalid, seeing as Wesker still got his hands on what he wanted. Furthermore not hunting down Ada for the fake or even mentioning it? This point continually bothered me.

Now it all makes sense, The Organization has the superior subject and are seemingly in control. Keeping Wesker's suspicions on the low was also key to the scenario working in The Organizations favor.

It is disgusting that Capcom would not delve deeper into this. At least now the holes are tied and hopefully The Organization will be revealed. Stunning find!

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Outstanding to say the least. I did have a small nagging fear in the recesses of my mind that if Wesker had the plaga that he caught up to Ada and made her pay in kind for her treachery. With this news, I can look forward to seeing her again, hopefully soon.

I think the reason that we don't know any of this is the American portion of Capcom being lazy and not wanting to properly translate the material from Japan. Are these Japanese guides (Kaitashinsho) the equivalent of the Resident Evil guides or are they something extra? Not that I think the info is incorrect just curious is all.

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I thought in the game they mention that Irving is the one that got his hands on a Las Plagas sample for Tricell. If Wesker already had a sample why would he need such a group of misfits. I thought he needed those people to get the sample.


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No Wesker gave the modified 'fake' control plaga to Tricell. The sample itself was not a false sample as many originally thought, it just isn't the true control plaga. The key is that Wesker never knew it was a fake control sample which is why Ada and The Organisation could get away with it.
Irving researched Las Plagas himself to make type 2 and type 3 to help make it more marketable as well as creating new BOWs such as Popokarimu and Ndesu. Then he would sell it to the highest bidders to boost funding for the Uroboros Project. Birdwoman Jill was sent with Irving on many of these weapons deals.

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I think the reason that we don't know any of this is the American portion of Capcom being lazy and not wanting to properly translate the material from Japan. Are these Japanese guides (Kaitashinsho) the equivalent of the Resident Evil guides or are they something extra? Not that I think the info is incorrect just curious is all.


They are written by a dedicated CapcomxFamitsu team, and are essentially the most in-depth, detailed and expansive strategy guides for the entire series. The Capcom Production Studios use them as their reference material, and Archives is made up completely of information taken from the guides (but a very pathetic amount, to say the least).

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