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PostPosted: Jun 02, 2012 16:06 
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I think you missed my point august. I know plenty of people who associate RE with Jill too. Theyre not majority though. The fact they exist doesn't make what was said untrue. "Most" people on majority relate Chris as the face of RE for the reasons I already mentioned.

I honestly find it crazy when people act like Jill had a minor role in RE5.


It sounds like you've missed my point in what I said. What I told you was my personal experience about Jills popularity in respect to Resident Evil. When I'm speaking about the series with most people, especially ones with limited knowledge, they generally associate Jill with the series first. Whatever your personal experience is, that doesn't change my experiences. I never sited that as a universal example for all people.

For the rest of this, I think this is coming down to a difference in opinion. You didn't really address my points, which makes me feel a bit like you didn't really read what I said or you don't care. I still don't see any contention with most of what I said other than the fact that you think the inclusion of Jill would be too much for the game and/or that she's too overused as well as the rest of the characters that are included already, and nothing can be done about them at this point. I do understand this. I understand that you are saying it and I understand that it is a concerne for some people.
And once again, I'll state as I did before: I'm not pushing for her inclusion in the game, and even if I had some sort of ability to effect that matter, I probably wouldn't push for it still. I am saying that I wouldn't mind if they did include her though-- because I don't agree that it would make the game bad because it's another "over-used character." I don't agree with that. I believe that, in any art, if done well, the artist(s) will know what is "just enough" of everything. We don't know what they have planned for the entirety of this game, so I'm not judging any of it yet. It might be too crowded to put more characters in the game, but it also might not be. If you recall, each of the three campaigns (that we know about) are supposed to be almost as long as the whole RE5 campaign. That is simply massive.
Let me give this example. If in Leon's part there was a section where Claire showed up and interacted with him and in Chris' part Jill showed up and did something similar and who knows who could show up in the third segment-- but I don't think this would be negative, if the structure of the game lends itself to the inclusion of more characters. What I am defending is the potential inclusion of these characters, I'm not saying they should be included, I'm saying, quit acting like you know what is bad for the game because we're not the ones making it. If they think it's right to include something, let them. We can always decide after we've played the game.

Another useful example, I feel, is comic books. As a comic book reader, I do have my favorite characters, but as most people who read comics know, it's more about who is writing and what is being done with the characters than it is the actual characters themselves. These characters are not real people, it doesn't pay to think of them that way. Instead, if you look at each inclusion of a character as they were written and how they were used, that's much more useful. There are so many awful Batman comics, but then there are things like "The Dark Knight" (the comic). Even people who don't care for Batman can read it, enjoy it and see the value it has. Which is why I also don't think it pays to write off a character that you don't particularly care for. Just wait and see, they could end up being really cool, who knows. Many characters have the ability to do a 180, just by how they're handled.

I really think that this game is going to feel a lot different than past titles, and that's how I'm thinking of it. This game is going to feel a lot less like living in a world where no one else exists, it looks like. With the inclusion of civilians and a larger number of locations and characters. As I stated, if they are making a game in which many of the characters of the series meet-up, then I think that could be a really cool idea for the game, which I would enjoy seeing if it could be done well. That's my opinion, and I don't think I'm the only one who would be interested in that.

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As far as the whole Chris Vs Jill, screen time/play time debate thing goes- at this point I don't particularly want to debate that (myself) as I'm getting wary of asserting my point of view here currently.
I will say, for me personally, I care for being able to play the characters that I like more than I enjoy simply seeing them. Even as cool as Hunk might be, I don't particularly care what's going on with him because he's not someone you really ever play as and his inclusion in the series is very vague for the most part. This is just an example of how I feel, because I know that Hunk is some people's favorite character (or Ada, perhaps) but for me, I like characters I get to play and I know more about.
And so- with that said, having Jill be a semi visible part of the story in Resident Evil 5 was cool, I thought (especially that she hadn't been killed!) although that's not as important to me as being able to play her. I'm more interested in that. I absolutely adore Resident Evil 5 as well, let that be known. I've completed far more times than I could count. I even still play mercenaries. It was a good game, regardless of the fact that my favorite characters weren't included and I think it was just fine that way. (and yes, I recognize the DLC with her in it. In my opinion, it's not quite as long, thought out, or well designed as the rest of the game though)
Now, that being said, in the argument of RE5 with Chris Vs Revelations with Jill goes...
Chris probably has more screen time in Revelations for the campaign than Jill in RE5, although Revelations was not really of the same quality as RE5, I feel. So, it would be a trade off in any case. If someone asked me which I thought was better quality, I'd say RE5. I like that Jill was put into a new game as a protagonist, although I wish it was the same sort of quality as RE5. If that means it would need to be put on a console, then I wouldn't mind but I won't really get into that. I think it was an awesome first try for really making a sequel on a handheld device.

and then I could talk about how weird Jill's face became.... or how terrible her voice actor is now...
ugh... not everyone cares about that sort of thing though.

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2012 2:33 
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Er.........stating I didn't address your points and didn't read your post when that's exactly what you did? Then you open your post with the exact same thing about missing the point that I said to you while completely failing to even acknowledge anything I said?

You basically ignored everything I said and then claimed everything I said to you about me instead.

Hell you even then go on to say that I don't want Jill in the game. You did not read anything at all because all of my posts are very clear in that I NEVER said or even implied that and in fact stated the exact opposite. I wasn't even arguing anything, and was simply providing facts and explanations for some of the things you seemed confused about such as why OTHER people didn't want jill in.

Either way, No offense personally because you seem like a nice person in all your other posts and i dont have a problem with you. But I'm not gonna repeat the same stuff over and over to deaf ears. So I'm politely dropping out of this.

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2012 11:48 
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For the love of...Is this really turning into a novella style debate? Over screen time for characters??? Seriously, what TRUE fan says "Oh, I hope this game stars *insert character* and leaves out *insert character* because they've already been in X amount of games". I'd jump at the opportunity to play as any of the 4 main protagonists and would be enthralled at their inclusion as a cameo. Let's look at it this way: Chris, Jill, Leon, AND Claire have all had enough exposure and character development throughout all the games, movie (Degeneration), and canon documents. If we want to be technical, Claire has probably had the least exposure compared to the other 3, but enough that she's been established as a series mainstay. Like I said before, and I'll say it again, we finally get Chris and Leon together in a game interacting with each other (Never before seen), so having Claire or Jill or even both would be a huge icing on the cake (or another layer :P)

Since we talk about character inclusions and denial...how bad was it that Barry, who played a pretty crucial role in the Umbrella saga, just gets dropped off the face of the Earth. They don't even throw him in Umbrella Chronicles Russian Chapter. He wanted to take down Umbrella as much as anybody else and the poor man gets the shaft. Now there's somebody who probably needs more exposure than anybody in the damn series.

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2012 17:21 
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I just wanted to add something slightly off-topic. How is Jill's Revelations model terrible? It's just different. She still looks good and resembles her old Julia Voth model even. Of course, the very first render of her in Revelations was absolutely awful but thank God they changed it for the better for the actual game.

What IS terrible is what they did to her nose in 5. What the fuck was that? :lol: Her nose in the REmake model was fine... something must've gone wrong when translating it from the Gamecube assets, because it's 98% the same. Anyway...

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2012 17:35 
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What IS terrible is what they did to her nose in 5. What the fuck was that? :lol: Her nose in the REmake model was fine... something must've gone wrong when translating it from the Gamecube assets, because it's 98% the same. Anyway...


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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2012 17:57 
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Mr. Rod wrote:
I just wanted to add something slightly off-topic. How is Jill's Revelations model terrible? It's just different. She still looks good and resembles her old Julia Voth model even. Of course, the very first render of her in Revelations was absolutely awful but thank God they changed it for the better for the actual game.

What IS terrible is what they did to her nose in 5. What the fuck was that? :lol: Her nose in the REmake model was fine... something must've gone wrong when translating it from the Gamecube assets, because it's 98% the same. Anyway...


Rod is legit right. For whatever reason, Jill had a potato nose in 5. Similar to the one's you see on Mr. Potato Head.

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2012 23:04 
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Yeah, I've heard that some people don't care for her nose in 5 too much.

I like it, but yeah, there is a bit of a difference. In my opinion, it sort of seems that it's different than most stereotypical presentations of female characters in video games with a straight, perfect, small, cute nose. I think that helps her stand apart.

Once again, this is just my opinion, but I don't really think that Jill looks very similar at all in Revelations. I can see some similarities, but I think it's a huge step backwards in terms of the characters looking individual and interesting (ala her nose in RE5). I don't completely hate the way she looks there, but I think she looks much more like a plastic doll there, there's something not totally human looking. I also felt that way about Raymond, Morgan and Norman (Norman less so). I really did like the design ideas of those characters though.

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Jill definately looks different in Rev but different does not equal bad. I didn't mind her Rev look at all even if I prefer her RE5 look.

But anyway back to the "original" topic, I hope Re6 does a MGS4 in thr sense of giving most of the series regulars a cameo or role. It'd be nice to hear from Jill and Claire and even Barry and Rebecca and Carlos. Don't need huge roles, just small cameos to show what they're up to currently and have everyone in one game finally after all this time.

Then use them in Mercs :)

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I still can't understand why they used Chris again, other than the laughable reason they gave.

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I still can't understand why they used Chris again, other than the laughable reason they gave.


In a nutshell: Chris is to the Resident Evil series as Ryu is to the Street Fighter series. Jill is the Ken/Chun-li equivalent.

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