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PostPosted: May 30, 2012 17:36 
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Yeah, I didn't think I'd get into this, since people seem to just irrationally hate some characters and freak out at the mere mention of them...

Jill has been a playable character for the story of:

Resident Evil 1 (and obviously all iterations of)
Resident Evil 3 (and obviously all iterations of)
Revelations- a portable game.

Other than that, as a fan of the character, someone you'd like to play as-- you get three normal choices.
Two side missions in RE5? Give me a break, that hardly warrants freaking out over. She was used as a plot point, it only makes sense that the DLC use one of the established characters they used to tell a bit more of the story.

That's all hardly fair for someone to say that Jill has been whored out and over used in light of characters like Chris. Leon has been used about as much as she has, still less than Chris.

If you're going to complain about Jill being boring, etc than that just as easily goes for Chris, who often has one dimension to his personality, despite being featured in newer and newer games.

The only other reason I can think of for people to be so up in arms about this has to be that they think Chris gets a free pass because he's a dude and he's the "star" of Resident Evil. In origin, that character has just as much of a starting point at Jill does. They both, equally started out the series, and then started getting alternating roles in subsequent releases.
So why now is it that Jill is overused? And people are saying, "yeah, sure, Chris, he's cool."
Is it you people who just think that guys need to have a leg up on women when it comes to starring characters in video games? As if they should always take the back seat to men or being considered second.

The obvious issue is that Claire has not been used in a long time. People would like to see her again, and that's valid. Capcom usually has done a decent job of balancing their cast with a male and female lead, which in a way they haven't done this time. At the talk of including a female founding member of the series, why the balking? She's got just as much place there as Chris. Obviously though, none of this matters when you consider that the game is finished, and whatever is there, is there. That won't change.

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PostPosted: May 30, 2012 20:00 
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I just want Claire because I want to see a next gen model for her. Already seen it for Chris, Jill, Leon, "Ada", and Wesker. I don't, in anyway shape nor form, accept the model from Darkside Chronicles. I'm sure she'd look gorgeous in RE6 if she were included.

Aside from that bit of personal reason for wanting her inclusion, plot-wise I think she'd be a great fit. You have the 3 people she considers important in her life all intertwined together (Chris, Leon, and Sherry) so she'd be a great addition to that. Hell, it WOULD be nice if there was a side segment with Jill and Claire.

There's 1 more person I would love to see return, and I'm probably the only one who wants this, Nicholai. The only villain, aside from Wesker, who managed to survive the Umbrella Saga. Most likely making use of the data he gathered during Raccoon City on the black market. His return is wishful thinking, but I think he'd make for a good additional villain to the new saga.

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PostPosted: May 30, 2012 21:40 
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I can never refuse more Jill :biggrin: as for Claire yeah I would like that too its been to damn long for her.

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PostPosted: May 31, 2012 3:50 
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Yeah, I didn't think I'd get into this, since people seem to just irrationally hate some characters and freak out at the mere mention of them...

Jill has been a playable character for the story of:

Resident Evil 1 (and obviously all iterations of)
Resident Evil 3 (and obviously all iterations of)
Revelations- a portable game.

Other than that, as a fan of the character, someone you'd like to play as-- you get three normal choices.
Two side missions in RE5? Give me a break, that hardly warrants freaking out over. She was used as a plot point, it only makes sense that the DLC use one of the established characters they used to tell a bit more of the story.

That's all hardly fair for someone to say that Jill has been whored out and over used in light of characters like Chris. Leon has been used about as much as she has, still less than Chris.

If you're going to complain about Jill being boring, etc than that just as easily goes for Chris, who often has one dimension to his personality, despite being featured in newer and newer games.

The only other reason I can think of for people to be so up in arms about this has to be that they think Chris gets a free pass because he's a dude and he's the "star" of Resident Evil. In origin, that character has just as much of a starting point at Jill does. They both, equally started out the series, and then started getting alternating roles in subsequent releases.
So why now is it that Jill is overused? And people are saying, "yeah, sure, Chris, he's cool."
Is it you people who just think that guys need to have a leg up on women when it comes to starring characters in video games? As if they should always take the back seat to men or being considered second.

The obvious issue is that Claire has not been used in a long time. People would like to see her again, and that's valid. Capcom usually has done a decent job of balancing their cast with a male and female lead, which in a way they haven't done this time. At the talk of including a female founding member of the series, why the balking? She's got just as much place there as Chris. Obviously though, none of this matters when you consider that the game is finished, and whatever is there, is there. That won't change.




Jill has been playable in all the games I listed. Again, she's 2 shy of chris, 1 shy if she's indeed in RE6.

I don't honestly recall anyone here stating "Jill doesn't need to be in this game because she's been whored out but YEY CHRIS HE HASN'T BEEN WHORED OUT AT ALL!".

Any comments about Jill being whored out and not wanting her in for that reason are because these same people already accept and agree that Chris and Leon are already whored out and pushed into this game and they don't want ANOTHER char that's whored out like Jill taking yet another spot that could be filled by someone who hasn't gotten as much recognition like Claire.

Basically it's like, ok Leon and Chris are in the game. That's cool we get to see them finally. Nothing we can do about it because they're already confirmed in the game. But, if we're speculating, we'd prefer Claire over Jill because we already have 2 overused characters and don't need another one.

That's all there really is to it. And that's only coming from a few people anyway. As I said personally and many others have, Jill being included in some form wouldn't be a problem. But, I don't see her getting her own story segment like Leon/Chris/Jake.

But, in any event. No one here that i noticed was giving Chris a free pass.


And in regards to Chris being main character etc. That's because he kinda is. Yes, Chris/Jill were co-stars of the original game but Chris was more heavily featured in promotional material for the game than Jill and with the second game making little to no mention of Jill while focusing on Chris' sister Claire etc. and the overall main story arc of the series heavily focusing on Chris' journey against Umbrella. It kinda pushed Chris into being the 'main' star of RE1 with Jill as the co-star. Basically, Chris gets related to the game and the series in general easier than Jill because of all of that.

Hell think about it, both Chris and Jill had their own run-ins with Wesker yet Wesker's beef is with Chris and the main storyline takes off with a Chris/Wesker rivalry. Jill's only other main playable entry has her basically trying to escape Raccoon City after the outbreak. All of Chris' story's have him on personal missions.

I know some of you guys love the hell out of Jill and I respect that. I like Jill too. But, don't let your personal bias towards a character make you miscontrue facts. Saying Jill's role and two entire DLC chapters dedicated to her in RE5 don't count is pretty ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2012 1:05 
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I think that your claim on Chris' popularity in comparison to Jill in association with the series is entirely subjective. I've met plenty of people who first associate Jill with series, due to her costumes, etc.

I do think that Capcom is sort of shoving Chris in that direction though, despite the fact that no one has really called for it.

As per Wesker/Chris + Wesker/Jill, that's also not a fantastic example being that Wesker is not the end all/be all of Resident Evil, obviously.

There's no personal bias coming from me about this. I am simply defending the fact that inclusion of Jill in new games is not something to get upset over. If you don't care much for the main characters of the series, I cannot imagine why you are a fan of the games.
I don't dislike any of the characters, although I do have some I particularly take an interest in and others I don't.

I'm not for a second suggesting that Jill should have her own segment, nor do I think that is realistically a possibility, but if they included her, I don't understand what's to be so up-in-arms over. Resident Evil is largely a character driven franchise, that's why there are not necessarily all new protagonists in every game, it's more about the characters and personalities that run the universe than it is about the monsters, etc. Because of this, it should be understood that they have established characters that they continue to use, that's what I enjoy about the series the most, don't expect that to change. There are effectively three (four) new characters (protagonists) in this game as it is. I'm not crazy about having even more of them-- especially in the case that they are like Sheva or Steve. Not particularly interesting and never again used.

Above all, not that I think this is happening for any reason, I'd like to see all the main characters in the same game for a change. For a series that has numbered sequels so few and far between, it sucks that so many characters never have seem to met each other before. Or in any case, we've never gotten to play a game with them together.

-and yes, I mean Claire too. Even though she's been written out of the series seemingly more than any other of the "main four"

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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2012 9:47 
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Why anyone would even be upset or bothered, by the possible inclusion of BOTH Jill and Claire, is totally beyond me. Throughout the past games we got were mere teases: Leon sends Chris coordinates to Rockfort Island (Code Veronica), Chris mentioning the Ganados detailed in the "Kennedy Report" (5), Leon mentioning how he and Chris chose the path of the "fighter" against Bioterrorism (Degeneration). They obviously know of each other's existence and we finally get to see them TRULY interact. Having Jill and Claire in that, is a huge icing on the cake.

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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2012 9:52 
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Why anyone would even be upset or bothered, by the possible inclusion of BOTH Jill and Claire, is totally beyond me. Throughout the past games we got were mere teases: Leon sends Chris coordinates to Rockfort Island (Code Veronica), Chris mentioning the Ganados detailed in the "Kennedy Report" (5), Leon mentioning how he and Chris chose the path of the "fighter" against Bioterrorism (Degeneration). They obviously know of each other's existence and we finally get to see them TRULY interact. Having Jill and Claire in that, is a huge icing on the cake.

not just icing, more like another layer.......and then some

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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2012 23:32 
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I don't think counting the physical number of games a character is featured in is the best way to approach this debate. For example, I would hardly call Jill and Chris' role in Revelations equal. That game was 75% Jill and maybe 10% Chris. And Claire was around in CV longer than Chris was. As it stands now, only Jill and Leon have ever supported an entire game by themselves. Jill also shared a majority of UC with Wesker.

I'm interested in knowing people's opinions: Who had a bigger role, Revelations Chris or RE5 Gold Edition Jill? :p


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PostPosted: Jun 02, 2012 0:04 
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Hrm, you could say Chris had a more direct part in what was going on in Revelations as he became entwined in the whole conspiracy plot(he and Jessica became necessary pawns, amongst others, in order to execute O'brien's plan).

Jill's involvement with RE5 was more of what became of her capture prior to the Kijuju incident; an indirect(but important) influence on the plot, past and present. She could have been saved by Chris and sent off without any more mention of her, and that wouldn't have necessarily affected the outcome of the rest of the game. Josh's chances of escape would be slim without her help, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten through and had the helicopter ready for Chris/Sheva in the end.

It depends on how you weigh a character's role, to determine their worthiness. Is it the length of time spent playable in various games? Or is it the amount of influence or manipulation one has on the overall plot? There have been numerous minor characters in Biohazard history that carry a more prestigious place in the background than any of the main characters combined. They are often considered less popular because they don't share the same screen time as our (often depthless) heroes.

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PostPosted: Jun 02, 2012 3:20 
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I think you missed my point august. I know plenty of people who associate RE with Jill too. Theyre not majority though. The fact they exist doesn't make what was said untrue. "Most" people on majority relate Chris as the face of RE for the reasons I already mentioned.

I'm not even arguing that he "should" be the face of RE. I'm just noting that he is widely considered it and I explained why.

And yes I do think you're letting some bias get in the way. I explained why the very "few" people here who mentioned not wanting Jill in because two overused chars are already in and they simply didn't want a third. And you you're still getting upset and taking their comments personally like people are attacking Jill and trying to defend her when there's no need.

Hell I'm a huge Chris fanboy but if someone here said they aren't happy with him being in 6 because he's been too over used lately, I wouldn't argue it because its true even if I like that Chris is in personally.

And Chris' role in Revelations was a throw away role with zero relevance. Jill's role in RE5 however was the core foundation of the entire story. Jill may not have been playable in the main story but her role was just as big if not bigger than Chris' since she was pretty much the reason he was on the mission in the first place, one of the main antagonists, the key to uroboros and the main focal point of more than half the game. Wesker and Uroboros were actually the sideline plot by comparison.

I honestly find it crazy when people act like Jill had a minor role in RE5.

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