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PostPosted: Apr 06, 2012 18:25 
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Yeah, it's basically outbreak vs. RE3 as well as some other noteworthy things... In Degeneration for instance, one of the news reporters mentioned that the government launched "a" missile at Raccoon city. Another reporter also mentions "a" missile, as in singular.


I believe a file in Umbrella Chronicles states one missile also.

The serious has loads of plotholes/inconsistencies still. Revelations is a mess when you eventually reach the end of the game and all the twists are finally revealed, looking back a lot of things do not add up. RE5s events leading up to it and when it officially takes place do not add up with several pieces of information, still lots of things from the early 2000s when Capcom couldn't decide what they were doing with RE4 and the series future, some of it still does not fit yet they go and reacknowledge it in books like Archives 1 and 2 like they are trying to purposely throw a spanner in the works. The Outbreak games are generally a mess.

You can look at this series purely from a game POV or include additional material, additional material fixes some things from a game only POV but then just makes new problems instead. Either way a mess in the details and Capcom do not seem interested in fixing it.


Technically, none of the files or books in the series state "one" single missile since there is no plural in Japanese non-personal nouns. They don't differentiate between "a missile" and "missiles". All English material in the series is badly translated and/or made-up completely, and is not a reliable source.

Revelations has no plot holes, although the plot itself is convoluted and barely understandable if you miss a very easy-to-miss file.

BH5 takes place in March 2009, there's no confusion about this. CAPCOM were initially going to set it in Summer 2008, but decided to move the game up to real-time and neglected to change any information in the game to reflect this.

BH4 is fine. What doesn't fit?

The Outbreak games are fine.

Don't post in this topic if you're not going to give any examples.

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PostPosted: Apr 06, 2012 18:31 
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Agreed, everything you noted there is fine.

Any problems with Outbreak stem from the fact we were only given half the intended game. There were ten other scenarios planned and mapped out to fit with what we already got.

And what's the issue with Biohazard 5? The build-up events to that game were the most clearly explained since Bio 2.

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Revelations has no plot holes, although the plot itself is convoluted and barely understandable if you miss a very easy-to-miss file.

BH5 takes place in March 2009, there's no confusion about this. CAPCOM were initially going to set it in Summer 2008, but decided to move the game up to real-time and neglected to change any information in the game to reflect this.


a) So that deal with the Airports is resolved?

b) Like what file exactly? I don't think the files had a date, so changing the date wouldn't have been a problem.

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Revelations has no plot holes, although the plot itself is convoluted and barely understandable if you miss a very easy-to-miss file.

BH5 takes place in March 2009, there's no confusion about this. CAPCOM were initially going to set it in Summer 2008, but decided to move the game up to real-time and neglected to change any information in the game to reflect this.


a) So that deal with the Airports is resolved?

b) Like what file exactly? I don't think the files had a date, so changing the date wouldn't have been a problem.


http://projectumbrella.net/articles/Mysterious-Journal

Basically confirms that airport dudes were Veltro. Whether they were members who didn't get killed in 2004 or a bunch of copy-cat terrorists is unknown, but it resolves the issue about O'Brian hiring them.

The Japanese text in the game is probably a lot more clear, since CAPCOM's English translators are a bunch of worthless douchebags.

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PostPosted: Apr 07, 2012 3:05 
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Should've been more clearer, I meant the issue about plane that took off the Airport and crashed.

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Should've been more clearer, I meant the issue about plane that took off the Airport and crashed.


I honestly don't know. Unless two planes happen to crash at the same time, the way the plane crashed is completely impossible for it to end up where it did, since the airfield is at the bottom of a cliff and the crash site is at the top of the cliff, while the plane took off in a completely different direction and exploded soon after take-off.

Of course it could have probably gotten enough height to make some turns and then crash, who knows.

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So the mystery that is Revelations is still not complete. =P

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So the mystery that is Revelations is still not complete. =P


Not until we get these fuckers to explain themselves!

It's not that the writers are bad, they've proven themselves on many occasions to be very good at what they do. Problem is, a lot of details about the scenario gets left out of the game, and these are often very important to the overall plot (the background story with Birkin in BH3, Morpheus' history in GS4, etc).

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I cannot think of every example off the top my head, but Weskers Report (yes that old classic) references events of Gaiden and Wesker claims Sherry in his hands, Capcom still to this day keep referencing that, in Archives II for example despite other material and also games like Darkside making clearer Sherry's fate.

I seem to remember Kirk was meant to be a rookie pilot in training and no prior military experience, yet he reappears (you know what I mean) in Revelations which is set years prior. Might possibly have been archives II that stated he was a rookie, I just read through stuff once out of random interest as a RE fan so don't remember all sources for stuff I read.

The inconsistancies/plot holes in RE5 is due to the moving of dates, it creates a massive gap in time where nothing happens and events that happen just prior to this gap leave gaping questions, like Reapers running loose in the missile area for 9 months, completely unrealistic. They were never researched further like was planned and the file you find implies Uroboros was finished since they were loading it yet Wesker doesn't deploy it for another 9 months despite nothing stopping him. There was something else I remember thinking about too, something to do with timing of plaga 2 release and conflicts between a file and Adams blog, I've not thought about this since near RE5s release so the details sketchy.

Outbreak is just magic, the story is a complete mess if you can call it one. The scenarios just aren't linked well at all and are more like individual tales and this was the game that completely changed the scope of Raccoon City adding things that just do not fit, a city of 100,000 is not enough to keep a zoo running, is hard to sell a tram system yet alone a tram and a underground trainline. It makes it own alterations to existing layout also, something ORC get criticised heavily for though I suppose Outbreak was not anywhere near as drastic. Of course the already mentioned missiles, not sure that computer controlled Tyrant really fits in with what Umbrella Chronicles was going for.

Speaking of UC, and Tyrants in general. We're led to believe the T-002 was the best in the biz, then we find there are more and better Tyrants (T-103) that were created based on the T-002 after the Arkley combat data was obtained according to Archive 1, Survivor and Weskers Report II tells us they super hard to make and needs kids scared brain chems or whatever it was, then UC gives us Ivans, modified T-103s that were about even before RE0, made from clones was it. So Ivan (that existed before the T-002 combat data was obtained) is a modified T-103, and T-103s were created after the combat data was obtained. Plus Tyrants are really hard to make due to rare chemistry needed, but can get the stuff from scared kids brains, but then already just cloned someone and made them anyway. TALOS can just go to hell.

Revelations has plenty of plot holes, as from those mentioned already Jessica's motivations for shooting Reymond not once but twice doesn't make sense given the final twist of the story. Whats his face living on a ship for a year, underwater no less not to mention his injection of the virus not having immediate effects have little to poor explanations.

Was it ever explained how Claire knew Wesker in CVX?

There are lots of things, as said these are just off top of my head. I've noticed loads over the years, some eventually got answered.

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The background story with Birkin in BH3.


Yes, this one definitely. I just finished translating Birkin's PU bio for the Wikia I told you about and I was amazed on his untold backstory.

Great stuff.

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