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PostPosted: Feb 05, 2012 20:24 
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Some good questions but, more importantly to me is:

-What is up with Raymond? He is apparently a triple agent working for Lansdale, O'brian and with Jessica for the organization all at once. That's fine. But, the problem is then, why did Jessica shoot him, why did he fake his death, why did he tell parker Jessica was the mole and that she was trying to activate the self destruct etc? It doesn't make a lot of sense.

If Jessica and Raymond have the same goals and are working together, there was no reason for Jessica to shoot him in the first place. The scene heavily implies she shoots him to save her cover and prevent him from spilling the beans about Lansdale. This obviously starts to blow her cover by doing so.

Raymond then telling parker that Jessica is the mole, faking his death only to come back and then blow jessica's cover and tell parker about the self destruct activation etc. only further complicate things.

If they're both working towards the same goal and together, it makes no sense they'd constantly screw each other over and make things more difficult.

Raymond is the one who exposed her as the mole which keith and quint had discovered and whatnot. So it's understandable that he might have tried to keep his own cover by blowing hers since hers was up already. But, that doesn't explain why she shoots him during his veltro gig.

Oh and also, you already mentioned it, but, how the hell did norman and veltro survive for a damn year under water. He doesn't use the t-abyss virus until you confront him. And i know there were some bodies on the table so cannibalism was going on, but, i don't see how they could survive on limited bodies and limited oxygen for a year under water. And if he did inject himself with t-abyss to survive, how come everyone else gets instantly infected yet he can survive an entire year without mutating? That whole 'revenge' thing makes no sense.


Oh and to answer some of your questions:

-Raymond blew up the tugboat as part of O'brian's plan to keep jill and parker on the ship until the mole could be uncovered.

-O'Brian's plan was a secret but the mission wasn't. The veltro resurgance would obviously be known by the FBC as that was the plan all along to get lansdale to notice it and send in his mole to find out what was going on. That's how Lansdale knew.

-Weren't the ships originally owned by Umbrella? That would explain the laboratories in them.

-It seemed Lansdale wanted the vaccine all to save face. Veltro would raise the bio-terrorism alert around the world like they wanted and the vaccine in FBC's hands would make the FBC look good like 'After arduous work the FBC has created a cure to one of these deadly bio-terrorist virus'! You can trust the FBC to look out for the public!'

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PostPosted: Feb 05, 2012 21:05 
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1. What was Veltro's motivation to attack Terragrigia? One cutscene said they were against its construction, which would be ridiculous and just plain evil. How can they be against alternative energy resources? That's like hating kittens. A file in the game says that they found the city to be "decadent" and that they wanted to open people's eyes. So did they want the same thing as Lansdale (make people aware of bioterrorism) or just attacked the city because they didn't like it?

Terragrigia was chosen because it was a "big" and significant target. I don't think there was a specific reason. Veltro wanted to be noticed.

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2. Who was responsible for the Valkoinen Mökki outbreak? Was it some leftover Veltro members that were not on the Queen Dido or was that part of O'Brian's plan? If the former, then why did they wait for one year before they attempted another attack? If the latter, then where did O'Brian get the B.O.W. resources?

This one I don't have a clue about. Could be a bit of both.

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3. Who blew up the tugboat? We are led to believe it was Raymond, but what are his motives? I figure he could have wanted the BSAA to keep investigating and to uncover the Lansdale conspiracy, just to put the FBC out of the picture. Because if he was just there for the T-Abyss virus, he could have had it easier if he just let Jill and Parker escape (unless he had to report to O'Brian constantly).

Raymond blew up the tugboat. He was working with O'Brian and kept Parker and Jill on the ship so that they would discover the truth behind Terragrigia (by finding the "secret of the Zenobia") and expose Lansdale.

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4. Was the video with Norman at the end of episode 3 a live broadcast or a rerun? He seemed pretty healthy and completely different from his episode 12 persona (not vengeful but just generally threatening the world). Also, how was the broadcast even possible, no matter who did it?

I'm sure the BSAA would remember if it was a rerun. Pretty sure it came from the sunken Queen Dido. Somehow.

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5. Who destroys the emergency communication system? See 3. for a possible explanation.

Raymond destroys both. They're recent and he happens to be close to them.

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6. Was Rachel a spy on Raymond's and Jessica's side? She didn't seem very well prepared.

FBC agent, had no idea what was really going on.

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7. Keith and Quint are musing about Veltro looking for their own ships. How'd they lose them in the first place? See 2. for a possible explanation.

Lansdale and the research team he organized "seized" the ships from Veltro after the Terragrigia Panic.

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8. Why did the two (or possibly three) ships have laboratories for the FBC's virus research if they were constructed as mere cruise liners in the seventies?

"Paraguas Line" (Umbrella Line) renovated them in the 80s and most likely added the laboratories. Lansdale used them because they were good cover.

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9. The game made it seem like Lansdale provided Veltro with the ships only shortly before the Terragrigia Panic. How was that even possible? He doesn't own them or anything.

They were set to be junked in 2003/4, but disappeared.

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10. How did Lansdale find out about Jill's and Parker's investigation?

I assumed Jessica.

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11. How was the self-destruct system of the Queen Semiramis activated? Or was its sinking the work of Lansdale and his satellite (the lab cutscene suddenly shows a satellite image of the half-sunken Queen Semiramis although Jill said earlier that the image was the Queen Zenobia)?

Jessica activated it when she was on it with Chris. Only real explanation. The satellite image showed what was presumably the Zenobia (it wasn't sinking), but it turned out to be the Semiramis.

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12. Why was the Queen Zenobia undetected for so long? When did it drop off the radars? How did O'Brian find it? How did Lansdale find out about it, along with Valkoinen Mökki?

...Yeah, none of this was explained. Raymond is like "rur rur why did the Zenobia go undetected?" but nothing was actually stated.

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13. Why did Veltro vanish after Terragrigia? Well, this was obviously answered with them being stuck on the Queen Dido, but again: question 2.

Veltro was a small group of only a few dozen men at best. A small number (the ones at the airport) probably survived, and were uncoordinated. The rest went down on the Queen Dido.

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14. Why did Lansdale set off the satellite to destroy the Queen Zenobia? He might be aware that there's evidence on the ship against him, but again: question 12.

To destroy the evidence.

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15. If Veltro used the ships at operations bases, then why were there still passengers and crew members on board once the outbreak occurred? How did some of them survive for almost a year (the Queen Dido situation was a bit different, after all)?


The people on the Queen Zenobia were all Lansdale's men after Terragrigia.

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16. How did water get into the bilge of the Queen Zenobia?


...Never explained.

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17. Why did the Global Pharmaceutical Consortium cooperate with the FBC's researchers?


Lansdale's research was officially supposed to help prevent bioterrorism (by... developing a virus) somehow. There's also the fact that the GPC is probably another god damn organization that wants viruses (promoting development of t-Abyss, then getting Raymond and Jessica to retrieve it).

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18. A researcher says they seized the Queen Zenobia after the Terragrigia Panic to carry out further research and to develop a T-Abyss vaccine. So basically, it was researchers -> Veltro -> researchers?


Veltro -> researchers. No idea what happened before they were given to Veltro.

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19. Why was Lansdale keen on having a T-Abyss vaccine developed?


Probably the same reason as Downing in DEGENERATION: viruses aren't that much of a product without a vaccine. Also most likely to prevent further incidents involving it.

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20. Why did Lansdale lock up the researchers after the vaccine was completed? If he knew where the ship was, then why didn't he just destroy it immediately along with all the evidence? If he wanted the vaccine, then why didn't he send anyone to retrieve it?


He locked them up as they were considered evidence. Why he didn't destroy the ships... no idea. Never explained.

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21. How and why the hell did Parker go to the bilge after he was shot?


Ship was sinking, maybe he had to find another route or some shit?

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22. Why did Norman inject himself twice (once in the video message, once before the final battle)? One injection wouldn't have sufficed?


Injected himself once in the video (which was presumably shortly before Chris and Jill arrived), ingested more of it in the hall. We don't know much about him or why his transformation was so special.

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23. Did the first injection and the video message happen shortly after the Terragrigia Panic? The game implies that Veltro survived in the Queen Dido due to the virus combined with their lust for revenge, which apparently prevented mutations (...).


There are zero dates in the game at all, so... fuck knows?

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Fun fact: it seems Jessica and Raymond are really working for the "organization" (the one Ada belongs to), as was originally implied heavily by Raymond's profile on the official site. Jessica says "組織も 思ったよりあっさりと モルガンを切るなんて" in the Japanese version of the epilogue. Only the Italian version translated this with "organization", all other dubs go with "company".


I want this to be true. But Vester's profile (and Rachael's) was referring to the FBC. Parker and Jessica were the exact same. "organization" doesn't automatically mean the "Organization" which Ada works for. It's a very, very general term. It might very well turn out to be the case, but at this moment there's no way of telling. Maybe "Jessica's Report" will give a few more hints?

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-What is up with Raymond? He is apparently a triple agent working for Lansdale, O'brian and with Jessica for the organization all at once. That's fine. But, the problem is then, why did Jessica shoot him, why did he fake his death, why did he tell parker Jessica was the mole and that she was trying to activate the self destruct etc? It doesn't make a lot of sense.

If Jessica and Raymond have the same goals and are working together, there was no reason for Jessica to shoot him in the first place. The scene heavily implies she shoots him to save her cover and prevent him from spilling the beans about Lansdale. This obviously starts to blow her cover by doing so.

Raymond then telling parker that Jessica is the mole, faking his death only to come back and then blow jessica's cover and tell parker about the self destruct activation etc. only further complicate things.

If they're both working towards the same goal and together, it makes no sense they'd constantly screw each other over and make things more difficult.

Raymond is the one who exposed her as the mole which keith and quint had discovered and whatnot. So it's understandable that he might have tried to keep his own cover by blowing hers since hers was up already. But, that doesn't explain why she shoots him during his veltro gig.


Part of the act. As retarded as it is, that is the only real explanation.

We will most likely have to rely on supplemental material to fully understand the plot of Revelations. That is the case with most of the games in the series.

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I think Rachel was an FBC agent assisting Raymond but was kept in the dark about the finer details of the mission. I think the 'Mysterious Instructions' file was written by Raymond to Rachel. She set up the 'Chris' dummy and was to keep out of sight whilst Raymond would make contact with Jill and Parker every once in a while, but unfortunately she was killed early on.

I think Norman's first video message was recorded as soon as the Dido sank. Doesn't he mention something about the ship being fully submerged now, or something along those lines?

I wonder if his second message with the threat to infect 1/5 of the world's waters was triggered after the team of FBC agents stormed the Queen Dido?

I can't remember exactly as I have still only just played the game once but doesn't the dead FBC agent record his message on the dictaphone at 19:48hrs, then the threat from Norman and Veltro comes in at about 21:00?

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Mysterious Instructions file was written by O'Brian to Raymond.

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That's what I thought at first, but if O'Brian and Raymond had been planning this for so long, I can't imagine the orders being relayed in such cryptic tones.

Plus if they were for Raymond he pretty much ignores this part:

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The main point of this mission is to mislead the targets, so it must be carried out quickly and stealthily.
Do not let the targets see you. Do not engage or fire upon them. Your primary concern should be your concealment. Leave everything else to me.


Attacking Jill on the bridge, locking them both up, taking their weapons and helping them several times doesn't really count as concealment.
I think they are Raymond's orders for Rachel, and he only admitted her presence to Jill and Parker because she had failed to report in to him.

Raymond likely only used her as she was a dumb blonde who wouldn't ask too many questions. I don't think she has any higher consequence than that.

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Neither Raymond's nor Rachel's profile mentions any affiliation with the FBC, but the way Raymond's is worded ("calm", "agent", "organization"), all signs point to Ada. It's too mysterious and espionage-like to refer simply to the FBC. Plus Jessica supposedly communicates with Ada before the epilogue. It all falls into place a bit too well not to have a connection there.

Both Raymond's and Rachael's contained references to a mysterious organization because the FBC wasn't announced yet. The developers even said that we'd be "hearing about it soon", and like clockwork, the FBC was announced with a trailer focusing on them. Their profiles were just never updated on the official site to mention the FBC. Not saying it's impossible for them to be working for the same organization as Ada, which I would rather like, but right now there's just a very loose possible link.

I'm eagerly awaiting the release of supplemental books to help explain most of the nagging plot issues (which is honestly the case with pretty much every game in the series). Hopefully they release one on-par with the "INSIDE OF BIOHAZARD THE DARKSIDE CHRONICLES".

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Okay, Jessica and Raymond are agents for the Global Pharmaceutical Consortium. The "unknown" woman ( :roll: ) in Jessica's Report confirms this.

I think this is what the "organization" really is. That would mean that it wasn't "a rival company of Umbrella" but rather "the rival companies of Umbrella". Mind blown. Sneaky Japanese writers hiding behind their grammar!

She confirms it? What does she say?

In the first edition of Wesker's Report, I believe he outright says "company" (business/enterprise), while in the COLLECTOR'S BOX revised edition, he says "organization".

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