It's been discussed before, but, I really wanted to bring this to the forefront because I keep seeing the same stuff everywhere regarding RE5 Wesker. The most common complaints are:

-Wesker went from a behind the scenes master mind to a comic book villain
-Wesker's plan with Uroroboros was stupid and made no sense
-All the scheming he did prior seems to have been thrown away and made irrelevant in RE5
-Wesker's plan in RE4 was to Revive Umbrella, this was thrown away in RE5


Here's the thing though, none of this is really true. Let's look at the facts:


-Umbrella is a worldwide large scale company that controls and owns an entire town, has money out the wazoo, tons of influence even in the US government, and pretty much can do whatever they want.

-By RE4, Wesker now has money out the wazoo himself, tons of influence and power, and samples and data on pretty much every virus etc.

-Spencer's goal which later became Wesker's is basically Survival of the Fittest. Even if 99% of humanity dies in the infection and only 100 people survive. Those 100 people go on as a new breed of humanity with superior DNA that can breed and repopulate the earth. No more weak humans, only the strong humans now fused with the Progenitor virus thanks to Uroboros. And Spencer/Wesker would be the god/creator of that race and thus rule over them aka ultimate power.

That last one seems to reinforce the comic book villain motif right? But, let's take a look back at the previous two facts I mentioned. Both Umbrella aka Spencer and Wesker already have more money than they'll ever need, tons of influence and tons of power. What do you honestly expect their end game goal to be? If Spencer already controls everything, what is possibly the purpose of all? What possible goal could he have behind all of his efforts other than the god complex one?

Wesker already has again, more than enough money, power and influence. He also has all of Umbrella's data and the data from other companies as well and samples of everything. What is his end game? To Revive Umbrella? To what end? He revives Umbrella, now what? He's back doing exactly what they were doing before, research and selling BOWs to various militaries. This is his end game? To go from making billions to zillions? That'd be along the lines of Dr. Evil, which is even stupider.

Not to mention that he essentially did complete his goal of reviving Umbrella when he went to Tricell. Tricell became the new Umbrella for all intents and purposes. So that plotline was not thrown away. Reviving Umbrella as Umbrella would never work considering Umbrella's public image post Raccoon City. Reviving it as Tricell however worked perfectly.

Next we have the claims about his scheming being thrown away and his master mind persona being chucked and him completely changing.

None of that is true. In RE5, Wesker spends the great majority of the game unseen. It isn't until the final two chapters of the game that he even shows up. And it's only due to Chris & Sheva's continued persuit of him and interference in his plans that he's 'forced' to come out of the shadows and become a front runner villain.

The game is the finale of the Wesker storyline. It shows his end-game scenario. What the purpose of everything he did was for. It's illogical to expect him to remain a behind the scenes villain for that. How can the series close up his storyline and provide his end-game if he's constantly in the shadows? He has to become the front runner villain in the finale for the story to play out properly and to close the book on his saga, which was the entire point of the game. Eventually it had to happen. Eventually Wesker's master plan had to be revealed and Wesker had to take center stage as the primary villain. This is that game.

Nothing about Wesker 'changed'. His plan was not 'pointless'. No plot points were made irrelevant, and he did in fact succeed in Reviving Umbrella.

Wesker still remains behind the scenes throughout the great majority of RE5. When he does show up, he acts no differently than he did in CODE Veronica where he contantly taunts Chris and co., has multiple opportunities to kill them and lets his ego let them get away etc. All of the same stuff happened in CODE Veronica.

And his end-game scenario is entirely logical. Again, think about Wesker's position by the end of RE4. Please explain to me WHAT you honestly expected his end-game to be at that point? What could he possibly do other than world domination that would make all of the time, energy and resources put into obtaining the amount of power, money, influence and data he collected worth the while?

He already had his hands in Umbrella, The Organization, the US government, Tricell and many other corporations. He didn't need more influence or power on that level. He already had enough money to buy his own island and retire on it for 100 lifetimes. And he already had enough virus' and data to start world war III if he so chose. So again I ask to everyone who complaina bout his 'comic book villain' end game plan to please explain to me where he was logically supposed to go from there? What 'end-game' plan can you possibly suggest that wouldn't simply be anti-climatic and make all the time and effort involved be redundant? The same for Spencer.

In RE1 it was about creating the 'ultimate life form'(Originally, before all the retcons, sequels and remakes). In RE2, Birkin was working on the G which he saw as much the same, the ultimate perfection of the virus to heal all injuries etc, which is almost identical to Dr. Connor's research and subsequent turn into the Lizard in Spiderman. CODE Veronica has Alexia trying to perfect the T-Veronica Virus for the exact same end, for her to rule over the world as Queen with everyone else being her slaves. RE4's Saddler does the exact same thing with the Las Plagas.

What else did you expect from Wesker?


I can completely understand and respect not 'liking' the uroroboros plan or how the events of RE5 played out. I myself would have envisioned things going a bit differently. But, despite the fanboy bias, the plan made perfect sense and was the only logical next step after RE4. There was simply no other goal that could be 'big' enough to make all of that worth the effort since again, we already ruled out money and influence and existing power considering he already acquired all of those. The only possible motivator left is 'ultimate power' aka world domination aka 'become a god'.


Feel free to discuss this, I just don't understand most peoples gripes and complaints. It's like they have this pre-conceived notion of Wesker in their head that makes no logical sense but they're engrained to follow it regardless. They just like him being the cool guy behind the scenes and want him to stay like that forever despite that being illogically impossible.

Here's the thing, though, you're saying that there was no other way to continue his storyline, and that this world domination plan was the only thing he had left to do...but that doesn't make it inherently good. In that sense, it's not fanboy bias. It's subjective at the very least. Although I wouldn't say the evil plans of villains like Megatron from the Transformers movies are of arguable quality; but there you have it.

Unless, you're only talking about expectations. At the end of the day they can be proven wrong, the final product however is an entirely different situation. If it is what it had to be then that means it should be taken for what it is, right?

I'm only playing the devil's advocate here. My main beef is that it's basically the same as Saddler's plan. And why is the ''Dr. Evil'' plan irrevocably worst than the world domination one? Both are really no different than cliché action/sci-fi movie plots that have been used to death. Don't even get me started on the world domination one, which reeks of 90's Power Rangers.

I never said the world domination plot was a good one. My only argument is that everyone is acting surprised and like it's out of character for Wesker and Wesker changed and this and that. When in fact, nothing about him changed at all. Given what Capcom themselves built him up to be doing, there was no other place to go with him other than that.

The Dr. Evil point as being stupider is because it actually is, it's simply redundant. If he already has more money than he'll ever need, his end-game being 'more' money than that is redundant and outright pointless. There is no purpose to it because it ultimately accomplishes nothing for him, it makes him even stupider and all his plans irrelevant to what people are already trying to claim of him. It's as silly as Dr. Evil asking for 100 Trillion Dollars and the government laughing at him for it because it's just impractical to try to achieve such a pointless goal.

The world Domination plot at least gives him a practical end-game that regardless of personal opinion on it, serves a purpose. Whether you like it or not, the end-game has him ruling over humanity. Aka the one thing all his current wealth, power and influence couldn't accomplish on it's own. Thus it makes his end-game have a point to it and all his efforts and work serve a purpose.

Again, you don't need to 'like' his master plan. My argument is simply that it is practical, the only logical next step for him and it works, unlike what everyone is trying to claim.

And again I ask the question, what other possible end-game could he have at that point? What scenario could you come up with that would bring him 'higher' than he already was by the end of RE4 and make all his efforts worth the while and accomplish something grander for him. Outside of World Domination, there really isn't any other option.

You can argue about how they went about his plan and the presentation of it in RE5 itself and that in of itself I could easily argue with you and agree that they could have presented it a lot better. For example, him having all of the virus' on hand, why he wouldn't use each and every one of them against Chris/Sheva and make them fight a Tyrant, G-Type, T-Veronica Mutate etc. aka throw everything including the kitchen sink at them for a grand finale to get rid of them and prevent them from interfering. As well, they could have went into Uroboros in of itself with more detail and shown it doing more than simply mutating things into tentacle monstrosities but again, that's not the argument at hand.

Regardless of how Uroboros was presented, among tons of other things, the storyline presented in RE5 is complete and solid, and sits in character with Wesker himself. The complaints that I listed that are the most common regarding him and RE5 are unfounded and that's all I'm trying to point out.

Personal opinion about how the story itself should have played out is irrelevant to this particular discussion.

His plan was ok to me, but what I was wondering was that if Wesker did get his way and only like 100 people lived/bonded with the virus, what kind of potential would they have? Would they be able to rival Wesker in anyway? At the end when Wesker infected himself it didn't really look like the virus was accepting him as a host to me? Not sure what right he has being at the top when the virus rejected him just like the billions he would of killed.

I also hate how they had Sheva and Chris finish Wesker...it should of been Jill instead of Sheva after all the crap Wesker put her through. Just my opinion of course.

But, Wesker did successfully bond with Uroboros. Look at all the examples throughout the game. Every time someone was infected, they were reduced to an uncontrollable primitive tentacle mess. The one guy who in the lab controlled it for a moment and his eyes flashed like Wesker's before he too lost control and became a tentacle blob.

Wesker is the only person who successfully bonded with the virus and was able to control it. The problem is, by that point, he had received multiple overdoses of PG67-AW which were poisoning him and screwing up everything inside of him. As well, he had received a ridiculous amount of damage at that point as well. So when he bonded with Uroboros he wasn't by any means in a peak condition, but, rather at a very unstable condition. That is why he mutated to a degree.

Look at the final battle itself. He starts out with only one tentacle and his other arm is normal just with some tendrils wrapped around it. Once Sheva shoots his chest though and damages him further, he loses some control and his other arm mutates as well. It's the same as Birkin and Nemesis in RE2/3. Whenever they receive excessive damage, the virus mutates them further in an attempt to 'heal' the damage done to them by creating new cells to replace the old ones. The new cells are obviously taking on a more 'adaptive' strategy rather than simply replicating old cells.

Despite all of this, he still maintained priority control over the virus and was able to maintain himself throughout despite the mutations, something Birkin, Nemesis etc. were never able to do. Even Alexia, the more they mutated, the less humanity they retained and more primitive they became. This never happened to Wesker despite his mutations.

Had he bonded with the virus in peak condition without being poisoned and without having suffered any damage, he likely would have achieved his own goal as planned. And that's pretty much what he wanted for the rest of humanity, only he, thanks to the Wesker Children project, would be the most powerful of the bunch because he was genetically bred to be the perfect host for it. Thus he would be the god over the rest.

And as far as Jill killing Wesker goes. While from a fanboy standpoint, we all wanted this, from a game standpoint, it wouldn't work. The reason being is you played as Sheva the entire game. Sheva risked her life all throughout the entire game and helped fight against all the monsters and mutates, and even Wesker himself. For the player to suddenly watch their character get shoved to the side at the last minute while Jill takes over to fire the rocket would be incredibly out of place regardless of whether Jill deserved the kill shot more or not.

Not to mention, after all she went through in RE5 against Wesker and the multiple fights she endured against him, she had pretty much done as much as Jill had against him and earned her right to help kill him, even if Jilly may have deserved it 'more'.

Not to mention it'd be an insult to Sheva herself from Chris for Sheva to have helped him all this time and helped him do all they did to save Jill from wesker and poison Wesker, damage him, etc. only for Chris to allow her to be pushed aside just so Jill can get the money shot in. The entire focus of the game as on them being 'partners'. It'd be a major insult from Chris to Sheva if it had gone any other way, as well an insult from Jill to Sheva (who just helped save her life) to push her out of the way as well.

So despite who may have deserved it more, for all intents and purposes, it made plenty of sense and was only befitting that Sheva helped take Wesker down.

Besides, don't forget that Jill is the one who flew to their rescue and saved them as well as handed them the rocket launchers to kill Wesker with. So it's not as if Jill didn't play a role in ending him even if it wasn't the kill shot.

Why would it be irrelevant if you're clearly asking people how would they have given closure to Wesker? Just seemed kind of contradicting to me.

Other than that, I am intrigued by your point.

I was referring to discussing how they could have went about his world domination plan compaired to what they did in RE5 is irrelevant. Like how I mentioned they could have had him use all the virus/mutates against them or explored Uroboros further/differently etc. That stuff is irrelevant because the point of the discussion was in addressing the 4 claims I made at the start which state that his plan makes no sense, he changed too much, plot points were thrown away etc.

In discussing that, I ask what 'else' could he have possibly done as an end-game outside of World Domination. That's different (and relevant) than discussing personal opinion on how the world domination storyline should have went.

As I said previously:



But, I can easily see how my comment can be confusing and come off as contradicting.

So much win IkariWarriorKH.

Thanks for clearing up; I apologize for the confusion on my part.

I'll only add one thing into this discussion though...I hope Wesker stays dead.

I hope they dont completely forget about him and make him reapear in flashbacks, hallucinations, etc.