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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2012 17:14 
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Another thing that bugs me is the P30 that Albert extracted from the Proginator Virus to control the Majini/Jill whatever... Its confusing me because Wesker Report II described they had to use the NE-T Parasite in order to control the Tyrants. So why wouldn't they have a sample of the Proginator Virus laying around (or did they?) and study it more to find P30 to control the Tyrants or zombies for that matter? Would of seemed much easier. Seems odd to me that Albert had to go ALL the way back to Africa to get Proginator...

The whole mythos of RE got weird after RE4, it all got kick started by the Proginator Virus and for like 5+ games they continued to build on that premise. But now we have this prehistoric parasite that can come back to life from fossilization, and making all the other viruses seem pointless. I guess it's no different from the Proginator flower since they are both "natural" occurrences in the RE universe but if Spenser had the patience to find a tiny flower he could have found the Plaga also..

Sorry if I got a little off topic but all these things have been bugging me, let me know if I overlooked something..


P30 only lasts for a very short time, it is not suitable for controlling B.O.W.s. Wesker had to constantly up the dose to Jill via his remote device. OK for one individual perhaps, but not exactly suitable for armies of B.O.W.s you are sending out into the field.

Another reason is that Jill was being used as a test subject for P30 to see what adverse effects it had on the body and how long she could last before her intelligence degraded. Tyrants need high intelligence to follow orders so this is why P30 would not be suitable as it would be eroding their mental capacity.

Thirdly, P30 was discovered by accident when Progenitor Research resumed in 2007. Progenitor was highly restricted at Umbrella and only employees with Level 10 clearance had access to the site in Kijuju where it was produced. The reason Wesker had to go all the way to Africa to get it is because that is the only place where it was. The Africa location was top secret, and Albert only learned of its location after he killed Spencer in 2006. This small plot point is why the whole of RE6 is set in Africa.

Spencer had patience to find the Stairway to the Sun flower because he knew it existed and he knew of its power thanks to Henry Travis' book. He did not know of the Plaga or its properties because until then no one knew it existed, not Umbrella, not Wesker, not Ada's organization or the rival company, no one. The plagas were discovered by complete accident in rural spain by a religious cult. It was only after this when the powers that be learned of its existence did they try to get their hands on it.


Yeah thanks, its all those little details I missed. But those Plaga stick out like a sore thumb in the series. Everything else was basically created but Plaga are so overpowered there is no reason to continue virus research. But anyone can see them mixing the viruses with Plaga from now on unless they come up with something completely new again like Plaga.

Also one last thing, Wesker got very sloppy with his plan at the end of RE5, but this Derek guy in RE6 seems to have an even BETTER plan then he did. Which to me leaves the impression that Albert was a "colossal imbecile"

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I feel Wesker was unlike his former self in this one. Or to say he'd be his usual self for a few seconds, gloating and acting out his god complex, then he start preaching like he believed he was a messiah or some desperately need savior. I'd find it more believable if they said that the Wesker in RE5 was really that Alex Wesker/Wesker 12 with plastic surgery than him being the real McCoy.

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I feel Wesker was unlike his former self in this one. Or to say he'd be his usual self for a few seconds, gloating and acting out his god complex, then he start preaching like he believed he was a messiah or some desperately need savior. I'd find it more believable if they said that the Wesker in RE5 was really that Alex Wesker/Wesker 12 with plastic surgery than him being the real McCoy.


Common fan theory with this is that he became kind of unhinged after realising he was a product of an experiment all along.

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That makes the most sense.


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Comparable to a certain S-class soldier in Final Fantasy finding out that he was a product of Jenova...

Anyways, Im curious if anyone has thought to question the whole immunity thing with Jake Muller, considering as he's stated to be Albert Wesker's son. Albert wasn't immune to the first viral injection he applied to himself, he was compatible with it. He was likely resilient to viruses with a progenitor base or weaker, after the fact(but not completely, as he suffered effects from it later, requiring the serum).

The whole Wesker Project would be rather pointless if the subjects were immune to Progenitor, wouldn't it? There would be no progress in evolution, if the intention was "power". I suppose if you wanted to filter out the rest of the species with bio-warfare then those persons would survive as newly immune race, but useless as weapons themselves.

I would think Jake wouldn't acquire Wesker's immunity to viruses, unless he was previously experimented on prior to taking the C-virus "supplement", because his physical looks imply he would be born before 1998(80's), before Wesker's injection. Then again, a possible requirement of truly being compatible with a progenitor-based virus(im assuming C-virus is, but I personally think it's directly derived from G), may be that you have to suffer a mortal wound and "die", temporarily. Much in the way V-ACT worked, but not exactly?

Not unless Capcom is just completely ignoring specifics...

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TheBatMan wrote:
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I feel Wesker was unlike his former self in this one. Or to say he'd be his usual self for a few seconds, gloating and acting out his god complex, then he start preaching like he believed he was a messiah or some desperately need savior. I'd find it more believable if they said that the Wesker in RE5 was really that Alex Wesker/Wesker 12 with plastic surgery than him being the real McCoy.


Common fan theory with this is that he became kind of unhinged after realising he was a product of an experiment all along.


This next bit might be a little off, but for that last bit about the two Weskers, I noticed in Mercenaries that Wesker (S.T.A.R.S. uniform) and Wesker (midnight/main game) appear to have slightly different facial features, particularly in the nose, cheekbones, and if I recall correctly the chin. I mean since he was basically carrying out a modified version of Spencer's plan and Alex was said to be loyal until discovering an "immortality drug" of sorts that could have saved Spencer's life, it just seems like it'd make more since if he was the Wesker who went with that batshit plan.

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Comparable to a certain S-class soldier in Final Fantasy finding out that he was a product of Jenova...

Anyways, Im curious if anyone has thought to question the whole immunity thing with Jake Muller, considering as he's stated to be Albert Wesker's son. Albert wasn't immune to the first viral injection he applied to himself, he was compatible with it. He was likely resilient to viruses with a progenitor base or weaker, after the fact(but not completely, as he suffered effects from it later, requiring the serum).

The whole Wesker Project would be rather pointless if the subjects were immune to Progenitor, wouldn't it? There would be no progress in evolution, if the intention was "power". I suppose if you wanted to filter out the rest of the species with bio-warfare then those persons would survive as newly immune race, but useless as weapons themselves.

I would think Jake wouldn't acquire Wesker's immunity to viruses, unless he was previously experimented on prior to taking the C-virus "supplement", because his physical looks imply he would be born before 1998(80's), before Wesker's injection. Then again, a possible requirement of truly being compatible with a progenitor-based virus(im assuming C-virus is, but I personally think it's directly derived from G), may be that you have to suffer a mortal wound and "die", temporarily. Much in the way V-ACT worked, but not exactly?

Not unless Capcom is just completely ignoring specifics...


Without the game I can't say for sure yet, but Muller has "anti-bodies" which apparently resist the C-Virus. The implication is that Wesker also had these anti-bodies, probably as part of the package with his "superior DNA".

Progenitor adapts to certain DNA, which also happens to naturally produce special anti-bodies which are able to hold the C-Virus at bay in a manner similar to how Sherry's G-antibodies hold that virus in her body back while giving her some of its more beneficial abilities (superior regeneration ability); the flip-side of this is that Muller's anti-bodies allow the C-Virus to give him superior strength. The anti-bodies stop the virus from mutating their bodies to a fatal extent and instead allow them to adapt to their bodies.

Meanwhile Progenitor is apparently just a do-or-don't. It's possible that the genes it needs to turn someone into a superhuman are actually the genes responsible for the production of the anti-bodies Wesker and Muller share but most of the population lack, and these anti-bodies which hold off the C-Virus could have been responsible for providing a resistance against Progenitor's toxic nature, but this is just speculation for now.

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Paul covered it for the most part. Wesker already had immunity to the virus before his injection from Birkin. That was the entire point, was that the Wesker children had superior DNA that would be the closest matches to bonding with the virus and not cause them to mutate like all the others did. Yet, most of the Wesker children still failed in this test, Albert was one of, or the only one to actually succesfully pass the test so to speak.

Jake simply inherited those same genes which would provide the anti-bodies to the virus much like if Jill or Sherry had a child, those children would inherit the anti-bodies to the T-Virus and G-virus respectively. Now given Jill and Sherry's anti-bodies were not natural and were created through innoculation to the virus' post infection, but, still the point of giving those genes to their offspring.

Notice even when Jake is doing all his crazy melee's, he's still not doing super human stuff like Wesker. It's more just top physical fitness of peak human condition which was the goal of the wesker children project. PG-67AW simply enhanced those abilities to super human levels.

So all Jake inheritied was Wesker's original DNA/Blood which makes him have immunity to the virus, a good chance at bonding with progenitor, and peak human condition which allows him quick reflexes and performance.

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Paul covered it for the most part. Wesker already had immunity to the virus before his injection from Birkin. That was the entire point, was that the Wesker children had superior DNA that would be the closest matches to bonding with the virus and not cause them to mutate like all the others did. Yet, most of the Wesker children still failed in this test, Albert was one of, or the only one to actually succesfully pass the test so to speak.

Jake simply inherited those same genes which would provide the anti-bodies to the virus much like if Jill or Sherry had a child, those children would inherit the anti-bodies to the T-Virus and G-virus respectively. Now given Jill and Sherry's anti-bodies were not natural and were created through innoculation to the virus' post infection, but, still the point of giving those genes to their offspring.

Notice even when Jake is doing all his crazy melee's, he's still not doing super human stuff like Wesker. It's more just top physical fitness of peak human condition which was the goal of the wesker children project. PG-67AW simply enhanced those abilities to super human levels.

So all Jake inheritied was Wesker's original DNA/Blood which makes him have immunity to the virus, a good chance at bonding with progenitor, and peak human condition which allows him quick reflexes and performance.


If only we all had wesker's genes, lucky bastard. I had always thought he would have some supernatural like powers like wesker, thats even why i thought capcom gave him the special melee as a weapon. But this makes sense, I feel like over time though capcom are going to change him, maybe start opening up his powers.

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In our talks with Kenichi Iwao, the scenario writer of BH1 and the man who created, named and wrote Wesker, we can say quite confidently that anyone who claims Wesker's plans have changed throughout the series are very wrong. No specifics at this moment since they're being saved for an upcoming book, but artificial selection upon the human race using a virus was always the main element of Wesker's plans.

In essence, he started that trend in the series, and ended it.

Also, if anyone has any questions about him for his creator, we'll ask them.

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