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PostPosted: Nov 03, 2011 5:44 
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I'm not saying the main objective of the game is to kill Leon, just perhaps in certain levels that you come across him. I don't think you'll have the option of leaving him alone. You will be forced to engage him in certain parts of the game and you'll either be successful in killing him or not, but it is these encounters that affect the canon in the first place.

The only way it could work is if Leon doesn't actually see you and you have the option of shooting him in the back or taking him out with a sniper rifle for example. But I can't see them going down this route, especially as Leon already clocked the Wolfpack team in the E3 demo.

I'm just starting to get the feeling that this whole 'it can be canon if you want it to be' statement is only meant in the very loosest sense and to appease fans. Even though the game looks great and I know it's early days, I just cannot see any way it can coherently fit based on what I've seen and read so far.

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PostPosted: Nov 03, 2011 8:00 
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Apparently, the game's prologue occurs before the actual outbreak and pretty much screams NOT FUCKING CANON.

Wolfpack rendevous with HUNK, who is... completely alone. In this game, the U.S.S. Alpha and Bravo teams don't exist. They plot to steal the G-virus, and I guess it plays out with Wolfpack in place of the other dozen or so U.S.S. members (wonder who shoots Birkin now?). HUNK gets the case, Birkin injects himself, outbreak occurs three days before it actually does in the series canon.

Right from the beginning, the game spurs off into its own timeline. All this shit about it following BH2 and BH3 is nonsense.

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PostPosted: Nov 04, 2011 4:15 
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While obviously it's going to change things, I don't see what the huge drama is about. Darkside Chronicles retells the events of RE2 with Ada/Sherry/Claire/Leon all teaming up the entire game. Who cares?

The only reason Claire and Leon were seperated the entire game in RE2 was for GAMEPLAY reasons, same as Chris and Jill in RE1. In ACTUAL canon, it would make far more sense that they came across one another at various points.

Altering the 'canon' for that to happen is NOT a significantly huge deal. Leon and Claire still meetup, Leon still meets Ada, Claire still meets Sherry, they still do all of their storyline related parts. What does it matter that they meetup a few times during? It would only make SENSE that they would. A CG movie adaption of RE2 would have this happen just the same.

Secondly, as stated, a lot of this stuff may only happen if you choose to actively try and kill the chars. If you leave them alone, there isn't much of a problem with affecting canon.

I'm a sticklar for sticking to the source material as close as possible myself, but, when adding in 'new' elements to a previously existing storyline, it's a GIVEN that you're gonna have to take some liberties and change a bit around. When they made RE2 back in 98, they had no plans for any of this. So obviously it all has to be packed in and things are going to have to change to accomodate it. As long as it doesn't SIGNIFICANTLY hurt anything, what is the problem? We all know there was a LOT going on in Raccoon City during the outbreak. Seeing a new perspective isn't a bad thing.

Besides, how many times has Wesker changed the timeline and previously 'canon' story himself? We all accepted that when they shoehorned his 'ressurrection' in and his involvement in RE2/3 and so forth and changed the canon accordingly to accomodate it. Why can't we accept some changes for ORC to be possible?

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PostPosted: Nov 04, 2011 7:22 
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While obviously it's going to change things, I don't see what the huge drama is about. Darkside Chronicles retells the events of RE2 with Ada/Sherry/Claire/Leon all teaming up the entire game. Who cares?


Darkside Chronicles is honest about what it is (an "historic summary") and does not try and say it fits perfectly with the canon when it does not.

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The only reason Claire and Leon were seperated the entire game in RE2 was for GAMEPLAY reasons, same as Chris and Jill in RE1. In ACTUAL canon, it would make far more sense that they came across one another at various points.


True, then false. They split up in actual canon regardless. They coincided, but the exact number of times and when is unknown.

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Altering the 'canon' for that to happen is NOT a significantly huge deal. Leon and Claire still meetup, Leon still meets Ada, Claire still meets Sherry, they still do all of their storyline related parts. What does it matter that they meetup a few times during? It would only make SENSE that they would. A CG movie adaption of RE2 would have this happen just the same.


ORC is not altering the canon for that to happen, though. You're missing the point.

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Besides, how many times has Wesker changed the timeline and previously 'canon' story himself? We all accepted that when they shoehorned his 'ressurrection' in and his involvement in RE2/3 and so forth and changed the canon accordingly to accomodate it. Why can't we accept some changes for ORC to be possible?


Not this shit again.

Wesker's death was always ambiguous, he could have survived or died in BH1, and Mikami made it clear that he could have gone either way. His face is in BH2 concept art, and his concept art in CODE:Veronica was drawn in early 1998 (and the game itself was written even sooner). He was not shoehorned in, although they did change the circumstances of his appearance in CV in order to fit with the new Progenitor Virus story arc. He would have been one of four superhumans in the series; Tony, "Paul" and Spencer in the first version of BH4 were also meant to be just like him, red eyes and all, because the Progenitor Virus was the focus at the time. Wesker's return did not contradict or change anything, it added.

Operation Raccoon City is not adding. It is contradicting, that is all it's doing. I have yet to see one simple addition that does not completely fuck up information that is widely known and has been established for over 10 years.

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PostPosted: Nov 04, 2011 10:29 
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While obviously it's going to change things, I don't see what the huge drama is about. Darkside Chronicles retells the events of RE2 with Ada/Sherry/Claire/Leon all teaming up the entire game. Who cares?

The only reason Claire and Leon were seperated the entire game in RE2 was for GAMEPLAY reasons, same as Chris and Jill in RE1. In ACTUAL canon, it would make far more sense that they came across one another at various points.

Altering the 'canon' for that to happen is NOT a significantly huge deal. Leon and Claire still meetup, Leon still meets Ada, Claire still meets Sherry, they still do all of their storyline related parts. What does it matter that they meetup a few times during? It would only make SENSE that they would. A CG movie adaption of RE2 would have this happen just the same.

Secondly, as stated, a lot of this stuff may only happen if you choose to actively try and kill the chars. If you leave them alone, there isn't much of a problem with affecting canon.

I'm a sticklar for sticking to the source material as close as possible myself, but, when adding in 'new' elements to a previously existing storyline, it's a GIVEN that you're gonna have to take some liberties and change a bit around. When they made RE2 back in 98, they had no plans for any of this. So obviously it all has to be packed in and things are going to have to change to accomodate it. As long as it doesn't SIGNIFICANTLY hurt anything, what is the problem? We all know there was a LOT going on in Raccoon City during the outbreak. Seeing a new perspective isn't a bad thing.

Besides, how many times has Wesker changed the timeline and previously 'canon' story himself? We all accepted that when they shoehorned his 'ressurrection' in and his involvement in RE2/3 and so forth and changed the canon accordingly to accomodate it. Why can't we accept some changes for ORC to be possible?


No no, you're totally missing the point. I'm not questioning the fact that they meet up a various points, but you tell me at what stage do Leon and Claire team up together in a train yard to ambush the U.S.S. and fit it into the events of Biohazard 2 without messing up the story? Did Leon tell Ada to hang fire in the sewers so he could radio Claire and tell her to meet him in he train yard to take out Umbrella's nasty men? Did Claire leave Sherry in the security room then ride back upstairs to the surface with her grenade launcher?

And the canon of Remake is that they did take separate routes through the mansion and were just unfortunate never to run across each other. Having Jill locked up for a majority of the game eliminates the Barry is a traitor sub-plot which is an important aspect of the story and his character.

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PostPosted: Nov 04, 2011 10:44 
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Why you guys are you so worked up about it? This game is not meant to replace anything.

ORC has, for the most part, a non canon alternate timeline before and during RE2/RE3. Some parts COULD be canon (if they add to previous events, obviously).

As long as they don't add Alice (LOL), I couldn't care less. This is a spin off letting us change the events in RE2 and RE3. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Because for the most-part if its not canon then what's the point?

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PostPosted: Nov 04, 2011 12:31 
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Slant Six insist that it is canon and does not contradict anything.

Obviously, being wrong, this poses quite an issue. Especially when they decide to say that "CAPCOM Japan approved it so its part of the canon storyline and does not contradict anything".

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PostPosted: Nov 04, 2011 13:46 
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Alright well I know I'm new here and all, and as much as this not being canon, let's think of it as an alternate history time line. Kind of a what if. The changes annoy me aswell but I'm still looking forward to this game as it gives me a chance to kill some zombies and b.o.w.s with some mates. I see this game as a filler to kill time, until the release of resident evil 6, and who knows if rumors are true outbreak file 3. Just my .02

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Because for the most-part if its not canon then what's the point?

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