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PostPosted: Feb 13, 2012 17:50 
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You miss my point. I was implying that none of that stuff happened. Raymond never infected anyone and there was no one left alive to infect. It was just to throw the audience off guard. In reality, the crew of the Zenobia were long gone. Most died in 2004 and the survivors were killed in 2005 when the vaccine data was sent back to Morgan. The Ooze had been prowling the ship for weeks.

That scene was done to make people believe Veltro had hijacked the ship and infected all the crew, which is an attempt to make the game's big plot twist all the more surprising.


Then that's the stupidest shit ever. Making a trailer to purposely falsely show something happen that never actually happens just to lead your audience on is pretty bastardly.

If the trailer revealed that scene to have gone differently than we actually saw (Like many shows/movies do where you are shown a seen and it shows someone doing something like killing someone directly. Then later we see the 'full' scene in a different perspective that shows they didn't actually kill them) and explained it in-game somehow, I'd be fine with it.

But, to just flat out create something like that just to purposely mis-direct the audience and then say that scene never actually happens whatsoever in any capacity, that shows extremely terrible writing.

It'd be like a movie trailer for Dolores Claiborne flat out showing her grabbing and pushing her boss down the stairs and grinning just to try and convince the audience that she did it so the 'plot twist' later on can totally surprise them.

That's just abysmal writing and directing.

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PostPosted: Feb 13, 2012 19:03 
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Misdirection could be handled well if there's a theme strong enough to support it (like Kojima concealing Raiden and the Big Shell for MGS2). Regardless, it's still going to be met with disappointment especially to those who invest time and money under certain expectations provided by the promotional material that sparked their interest.

I had an argument on THIA a while back regarding the misdirection of the teaser trailer, and if the TGS '11 trailer is any indication either Capcom continued to make re-writes and push forward with all these immediate changes or this was intentional misdirection.

It's hard to say which is which, but it might have something to do with some of the confusion fans have over aspects of the plot.

That demo for Mercs 3D didn't have Rachael and Jill was voiced by PJ Lee (as she was in the teaser). So it's difficult at that point to know when things started going a different way. The demo on the e-shop is also different from the main game with changes in dialogue and what goes on in the game play. That looked intentional for the sake of structuring something simple as far as a demo is concerned.


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The TGS 2011 trailer takes place just as Jill and Parker reach the ship. No misdirection.

The lack of dates makes the events prior to the day the game starts a complete mystery. However, we do know that people did not start dying on the Queen Zenobia until 2005. How long this went on is unknown. Maybe it was only very recently before the game, maybe much earlier. Impossible to tell because they didn't feel like dating anything at all.

I still want to know how Raymond and O'Brian found the ship. And why Lansdale didn't do anything about the fact that two aimless, un-crewed ships with a vast quantity of a virus which could destroy the world's oceans were just floating at sea. Only way I can see this being coherent is if the vaccine wasn't completed until literally days before the game.

P.S. Prime, Farfarello is invisible due to an aquatic camouflage quality (presumably the same thing octopuses have) received from t-Abyss. They're not coated in some clothing exclusive to one person in the world. Need a better critique, I think.

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PostPosted: Feb 14, 2012 13:29 
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I knew I had to jump in to this topic sooner or later. I am personally not a fan of misdirection. It's kind of like a slap in the face. "Let's advertise an orange and then give them orange-juice!" You can scrape a storyline by the skin of it's teeth, but if you're gonna show me something- give it to me!

Now I already have my doubts about Resident Evil 6 and it ruins the hype. I believe that all of the RE:5 trailers actually presented itself in the final product. You can't really win in the situation because no matter what you see, as a Resident Evil fan- I'll buy it. :\

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IkariWarriorKH wrote:
TheBatMan wrote:
You miss my point. I was implying that none of that stuff happened. Raymond never infected anyone and there was no one left alive to infect. It was just to throw the audience off guard. In reality, the crew of the Zenobia were long gone. Most died in 2004 and the survivors were killed in 2005 when the vaccine data was sent back to Morgan. The Ooze had been prowling the ship for weeks.

That scene was done to make people believe Veltro had hijacked the ship and infected all the crew, which is an attempt to make the game's big plot twist all the more surprising.


Then that's the stupidest shit ever. Making a trailer to purposely falsely show something happen that never actually happens just to lead your audience on is pretty bastardly.

If the trailer revealed that scene to have gone differently than we actually saw (Like many shows/movies do where you are shown a seen and it shows someone doing something like killing someone directly. Then later we see the 'full' scene in a different perspective that shows they didn't actually kill them) and explained it in-game somehow, I'd be fine with it.

But, to just flat out create something like that just to purposely mis-direct the audience and then say that scene never actually happens whatsoever in any capacity, that shows extremely terrible writing.

It'd be like a movie trailer for Dolores Claiborne flat out showing her grabbing and pushing her boss down the stairs and grinning just to try and convince the audience that she did it so the 'plot twist' later on can totally surprise them.

That's just abysmal writing and directing.


Like it or not though the game is littered with misdirection. Chris and Jessica landing on the Semeramis rather than the Zenobia, the Semeramis blowing up and made to look like the Zenobia etc. Some of it is just handled better than others.
Chris' level on the Semeramis is a particular cheat as not only are the scattered furniture and bloodstains exactly the same, but you can see the file on the wall outside the emergency comm room and the room where the officer was locked up from the Zenobia.

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Kind of got the feeling that Jessica is being set up to be Chris's new enemy now that Wesker's gone. We'll see if she's the one that Chris was ranting about in the RE6 trailer.


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TheBatMan wrote:
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TheBatMan wrote:
You miss my point. I was implying that none of that stuff happened. Raymond never infected anyone and there was no one left alive to infect. It was just to throw the audience off guard. In reality, the crew of the Zenobia were long gone. Most died in 2004 and the survivors were killed in 2005 when the vaccine data was sent back to Morgan. The Ooze had been prowling the ship for weeks.

That scene was done to make people believe Veltro had hijacked the ship and infected all the crew, which is an attempt to make the game's big plot twist all the more surprising.


Then that's the stupidest shit ever. Making a trailer to purposely falsely show something happen that never actually happens just to lead your audience on is pretty bastardly.

If the trailer revealed that scene to have gone differently than we actually saw (Like many shows/movies do where you are shown a seen and it shows someone doing something like killing someone directly. Then later we see the 'full' scene in a different perspective that shows they didn't actually kill them) and explained it in-game somehow, I'd be fine with it.

But, to just flat out create something like that just to purposely mis-direct the audience and then say that scene never actually happens whatsoever in any capacity, that shows extremely terrible writing.

It'd be like a movie trailer for Dolores Claiborne flat out showing her grabbing and pushing her boss down the stairs and grinning just to try and convince the audience that she did it so the 'plot twist' later on can totally surprise them.

That's just abysmal writing and directing.


Like it or not though the game is littered with misdirection. Chris and Jessica landing on the Semeramis rather than the Zenobia, the Semeramis blowing up and made to look like the Zenobia etc. Some of it is just handled better than others.
Chris' level on the Semeramis is a particular cheat as not only are the scattered furniture and bloodstains exactly the same, but you can see the file on the wall outside the emergency comm room and the room where the officer was locked up from the Zenobia.


The Semiramis I can handle because it's a proper misdirection even if it's very lazy. The whole Raymond infection thing I can't because it's basically saying "Hey, look Veltro's infecting the Zenobia and is responsible for creating the outbreak on it! That totally happened! Well, at least until you find out that it's not Veltro but Raymond. Once you know it's Raymond, it never happened. So it happens up until you realize who it is and then it never actually happened! That's the factual canon of the game! It never happened! even though it's directly tied into the same video showing how Rachel died which DID happen so half that video happened and the other half didn't happen! Get it now?!?!?"

It's utter BS.

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I don't get why it winds you up so much, its a perfectly plausible theory. Games such as Second Sight on the gamecube have used this technique effectively in the past.

*If there were survivors aboard the Zenobia, why didn't they try to get back to land? Why didn't they try to fix communications? Morgan himself said he doesn't leave any loose ends to chance and having survivors on board that could expose him would be a pretty big risk. Plus any survivors could actually expose Morgan, which is exactly what Raymond was trying to do in the first place, so I doubt he'd go round killing them.
*Why would Raymond waste samples on infecting people when the ship is already crawling with Ooze, why not just shoot them?
*Why would he speak Veltro's line of abandon all hope?
*The case and the discarded viral samples are not on the bridge when you get there in the game.
*None of that trailer is actually in the game. Not just a few scenes, but the whole actual trailer.

And we have proof Capcom have done this before in the game because the gamersday trailer shows Raymond making the threat and infecting the fish which never happened because in the actual game it is revealed to be Norman.

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The thing is that the first teaser was nothing more than a proof-of-concept for the game. The general direction of Revelations and the quality of the visuals Capcom wanted to achieve with the Nintendo 3DS.

It is true that the story was written while the game was developed, but the script was finalized by May 2011. The TGS 2011 trailer came way after.
But again, Raymond infecting the last remaining survivors is the least of the problems the storyline has. There are several fresh corpses on the ship, so it's not unreasonable to think that some people survived right until the end.


Which is bogus. They never give any indication that the story was being re-written or changed. In fact they encouraged the ideas of the teaser. Especially with having a 'tied up' Chris that they knew people would remember from the teaser as being some sort of clone.


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