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PostPosted: Apr 07, 2012 5:38 
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I cannot think of every example off the top my head, but Weskers Report (yes that old classic) references events of Gaiden and Wesker claims Sherry in his hands, Capcom still to this day keep referencing that, in Archives II for example despite other material and also games like Darkside making clearer Sherry's fate.

I seem to remember Kirk was meant to be a rookie pilot in training and no prior military experience, yet he reappears (you know what I mean) in Revelations which is set years prior. Might possibly have been archives II that stated he was a rookie, I just read through stuff once out of random interest as a RE fan so don't remember all sources for stuff I read.

The inconsistancies/plot holes in RE5 is due to the moving of dates, it creates a massive gap in time where nothing happens and events that happen just prior to this gap leave gaping questions, like Reapers running loose in the missile area for 9 months, completely unrealistic. They were never researched further like was planned and the file you find implies Uroboros was finished since they were loading it yet Wesker doesn't deploy it for another 9 months despite nothing stopping him. There was something else I remember thinking about too, something to do with timing of plaga 2 release and conflicts between a file and Adams blog, I've not thought about this since near RE5s release so the details sketchy.

Outbreak is just magic, the story is a complete mess if you can call it one. The scenarios just aren't linked well at all and are more like individual tales and this was the game that completely changed the scope of Raccoon City adding things that just do not fit, a city of 100,000 is not enough to keep a zoo running, is hard to sell a tram system yet alone a tram and a underground trainline. It makes it own alterations to existing layout also, something ORC get criticised heavily for though I suppose Outbreak was not anywhere near as drastic. Of course the already mentioned missiles, not sure that computer controlled Tyrant really fits in with what Umbrella Chronicles was going for.

Speaking of UC, and Tyrants in general. We're led to believe the T-002 was the best in the biz, then we find there are more and better Tyrants (T-103) that were created based on the T-002 after the Arkley combat data was obtained according to Archive 1, Survivor and Weskers Report II tells us they super hard to make and needs kids scared brain chems or whatever it was, then UC gives us Ivans, modified T-103s that were about even before RE0, made from clones was it. So Ivan (that existed before the T-002 combat data was obtained) is a modified T-103, and T-103s were created after the combat data was obtained. Plus Tyrants are really hard to make due to rare chemistry needed, but can get the stuff from scared kids brains, but then already just cloned someone and made them anyway. TALOS can just go to hell.

Revelations has plenty of plot holes, as from those mentioned already Jessica's motivations for shooting Reymond not once but twice doesn't make sense given the final twist of the story. Whats his face living on a ship for a year, underwater no less not to mention his injection of the virus not having immediate effects have little to poor explanations.

Was it ever explained how Claire knew Wesker in CVX?

There are lots of things, as said these are just off top of my head. I've noticed loads over the years, some eventually got answered.


They keep referencing the Sherry line in Wesker's Report because it's still relevant. He had spies in the government watching her. The only difference is that they changed the original implication that he had captured her. Mr. Kawamura already explained why there are some inconsistencies in Wesker's Report (like, one.)

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Q15) Were you or FLAGSHIP aware of the story inconsistencies in "Wesker's Report" written by Mr. Hiroki Katoh? Such as Leon joining an underground anti-Umbrella organization and Sherry being captured by Wesker, which contradicted the Epilogue Files you wrote?

*laughs*

Mr. Katoh wrote Wesker's Report around the same time that BIOHAZARD 3 was being developed, so there may be some inconsistencies between his work and the world that I created.


Kirk wasn't a rookie, he just received all of his training in the BSAA.

BH5's has messed up dates. This is true. It's an oversight on CAPCOM's part.

The scenarios in Outbreak are not linked because the game is incomplete and missing about 10 other scenarios that were all connected to the ones we got. Everything in the game fits. All of the areas explored (zoo, university, etc) were already present on the Raccoon City map design since 1999. It makes very little alterations to the city layout at all, since very few areas from previous games are revisited, and those that are were faithfully reproduced (underground laboratory, R.P.D., hospital). The Tyrant R is not controlled by computer, it's controlled by programs which run on their own. T-A.L.O.S. is controlled by AI. Outbreak stays so faithful to BH2 and BH3 that it's actually completely surprising since the writers for each scenario were all different and had previously never worked on the series.

The T-002 was the best. Ever since BH1, it was openly stated to be a prototype and Umbrella wanted it to be disposed of because they already decided to mass produce the T-103, it just required the T-002 combat data. T-002 was a "perfect prototype", it was the basis for every other subsequent model, after all. Wesker wasn't wrong. Umbrella was considering to go with it for mass production. The T-103 was just smaller and more human, but was otherwise based completely on the T-002, likewise with every other Tyrant in the series. The only reason there is confusion about this issue is because there are no dates for the development of the T-001, T-002 or T-103, and many people (including myself at one point) make the mistake of misunderstanding. Sergei explained how they were actually able to make Tyrants since Wesker's Report II outright stated that the entire project was stalled because they had no adaptable hosts. Survivor explained how they were able to mass produce them, since Umbrella only made 10 clones, and the latter process is much more difficult, costly and time-consuming. The simple addition of a single chemical during the cultivation process was more efficient for mass production. Cloning would make mass production impossible, since Tyrants were already very costly.

Revelations doesn't have real plot holes, most of the stuff very clearly has an explanation (like previous games) but the problem is that the parts of the scenario with that explanation simply didn't make the cut. The writers usually include descriptions or supplemental notes in the scenario which give a little more background on certain aspects of the story. The GS4 scenario contains a note which explains that Morpheus had a sex change prior to the game, for example. The Jessica and Raymond example is just forced storytelling and is seen quite a lot, especially in manga and anime. Guess who wrote a lot of the games? Manga and anime writers. The main writer between 1997-2003 was the writer of a TV show.

The Archives you are using is mistranslated to Hell and back so it is not an admissible source. Many "plot holes" exist solely in it.

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So the mystery that is Revelations is still not complete. =P


The plane that crashes is the same one that takes off, that is obvious despite the wacky geography in terms of where it crashes and its descent path etc and is confirmed by Quint's in-game dialogue.

I'm pretty sure the plane was sent to the airport by Morgan, loaded with B.O.W's that then lay siege to the base. This is backed up by the Mysterious Journal file.

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"MYSTERIOUS JOURNAL"
He's finally made his move. I don't even know how long I've been waiting for this.
My mission is the key to the success. It's the reason why I've given up so much already.
In order to get incontrovertible evidence to use against Morgan, I had to bring Veltro back to life.
I thought this plan was weak - dangerous even - when O'Brian first brought it to me, but we couldn't figure out any alternative that would work.
We set up a fake base of operations for Veltro in the mountains of northern Europe, and then we spread rumors of a big op Veltro was planning to the BSAA.
When the BSAA began their investigation, Morgan started to panic. Those spies of his must have tipped him off.
Morgan is very careful and he's suspicious by nature. I suspect that everything went well because we didn't leak the news of Veltro directly to the FBC.
It's like the saying goes: be careful of the web you weave. I was able to hijack the Queen Zenobia before Veltro could do anything to it. Even still, I could not find anything to link Morgan to his illegal activities. As such, it has come time to become more proactive in this mission.
I must bring the BSAA agents here, and then disguise myself in order to deceive them into thinking that Veltro has managed to survive.
Any of Morgan's spies in the BSAA will try to contact him, and that's when we'll get our chance.
According to O'Brian's report, Morgan's dogs already attacked the fake base we set up.
The parameters of this mission are quite fluid, and, as such, leave lethal options in the table.
I will do whatever it takes to see this mission through, even if it costs me my life.


Morgan attacked the base hours before the events of the game take place. In the ensuing panic of the Farafello's killing everyone at the airport, a few members desperately tried to escape in the plane but it crashed not long after take off when Chris and Jessica find it. The crash then releases the Fenrir B.O.W. that were locked up in the cages.

As for the Veltro members themselves, after O'Brian and Raymond set up the fake base, it likely drew any remnants of old Veltro and any potential new followers to the site so they could actually begin a genuine resurrection. This is purely theory mind you, but we know there was at least one genuine member of Veltro at the base (Earl Brivinco)

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Destiny, and I do not mean to sound flippant, is made before we even get a say, and is the will of a higher power.
The impure will not be cursed; it is their destiny to be torn apart by the fangs of the hounds.
I cannot spare sympathy for the victims of this world: they are the ones who created it. It is the same world that robbed this dog of its bite.
No longer will I howl; I will sharpen my fangs. No longer will I roar; I will sharpen my claws. All our comrades are waiting for the time when they may sacrifice themselves to the cause. Only the hounds are pure of purpose, and it is only they who may purge the world.
We do not hunt alone. We hunt in packs. We are Veltro.
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There are only really two points of Revelations we are yet to fully understand.

1. How and when was Jack Norman's threat to the BSAA sent? If it was a re-record from the Terragrigia Panic then surely everyone would know about it.
2. Who started the deliberate flooding in the bilge? It could only have been Raymond and yet he did not want to harm Parker and Jill.

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There are only really two points of Revelations we are yet to fully understand.

1. How and when was Jack Norman's threat to the BSAA sent? If it was a re-record from the Terragrigia Panic then surely everyone would know about it.
2. Who started the deliberate flooding in the bilge? It could only have been Raymond and yet he did not want to harm Parker and Jill.


1. I think this thrat was sent to BSAA right after Terragrigia panic, but O'brian hold it and release it just when he need it.

2. Malufaction problem perhaps?

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Dark_Chris wrote:
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There are only really two points of Revelations we are yet to fully understand.

1. How and when was Jack Norman's threat to the BSAA sent? If it was a re-record from the Terragrigia Panic then surely everyone would know about it.
2. Who started the deliberate flooding in the bilge? It could only have been Raymond and yet he did not want to harm Parker and Jill.


1. I think this thrat was sent to BSAA right after Terragrigia panic, but O'brian hold it and release it just when he need it.

2. Malufaction problem perhaps?


1. O'Brian never came up with his plan until 2005 so there would he would not need to hide it from anyone at that time. Secondly, it was a public threat addressed to the BSAA so other BSAA agents would have been aware of its existence. O'Brian could not have concealed it on his own. O'Brian's Veltro revival act depended on absolutely no one from the BSAA being aware of it because he knew the organization had been infiltrated by at least one spy.

2. Could be. But the fact all the doors suddenly lock before the water comes in makes it unlikely.

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