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PostPosted: Jun 18, 2012 3:52 
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I was only pointing that out because you said the films were in your words, 'wrecks'. They might be to those who are expecting a 100% faithful adaptation but if you go in without even comparing them to the games, they are fairly well made action titles.

I don't expect a fully 100% faithful adapation. I've even stated this numerous times before. I just expected something like Outbreak where they show a bunch of normal civilians being thrown into the struggle of the outbreak of the virus etc. It uses the basic plot of RE but establishes itself seperately with new and original chars and can have it's own story that way while incorporating ideas or scenes from the game if it wants while still flowing within the basic continuality of the series regardless of being canon or not.

Hell, the very first movie kinda went this route and I was ok with it. I never really shitted on the first film. It wasn't stellar but I always accepted it as a pretty decent concept for a prequel to RE1 (before Zero came along).

The problem is once Apocalypse came around, they just started becoming absolute shit fests that focues on Mary Sue'ing Alice and making the movies "Alice: The Movie" and holding little relevance to RE itself. I've said it before, watch Ultra Violet and watch Apocalypse back to back. They're essentially the same movie. The only true difference is one has Resident Evil in the title. Take out Resident Evil and you have Ultra Violet. That's the problem. They went so overboard with turning it into their own thing, they alienated the actual fans.

And when you even consider the movie from an objective standpoint with NO bias or relation or care about the games in general, it's still a terrible movie because of it's Mary Sue plotline. Alice is the epitome of the Mary Sue cliche. Every single thing in the entire movieverse is tied to her, revolves around her and requires her to exist. Every good guy loves her and requires her to do everything for them.

No single character can stand on their own or have any character development that is not reliant or stolen by Alice. No character can have a fight scene that doesn't involve Alice getting the finishing blow or having to save their life. No two characters can even develop any true connection or development between each other because all connections and development for any characters, what little they get, are with Alice. And every bad guy considers her the ultimate being they 'need' for whatever purpose they currently hatch and are outright obsessed with her. Again, every single person in the movies is 100% reliant and orbital of Alice bar none.

That is without even considering or caring about the RE aspects of the film. The films in general are just incredibly badly written. The only thing they appeal to is mindless action.

People pay to see lots of explosions and zombies and huge fight scenes. That's about it. Huge explosions, zombies and fight scenes do not make a 'good' movie. Yes, people can walk out of it and have enjoyed it because they got their fill of the mindless action they craved. But, it doesn't make the movie a good 'film' because it does mindless action right. As a 'film' the entire series is a train wreck disaster.


This is my problem with the movies and the reason I despise both Paul and Milla. Because as innocent as you may think Milla is, she's the one who called for all of this stuff in Apocalypse and onward. She's the one who told Paul she wanted to do all the action scenes and have more time focused on her doing all this cool stuff, having the cool powers etc. Again, interviews with both Paul and Milla prove this as they both blatantly admit this stuff. Milla used her marriage to Paul as a way to further her own agenda and turn the movies into her own personal playground with zero regard for the source material or the films themselves.

I have zero respect for the woman for this. Again, watch the original movie. Alice is vastly different in that movie. Other characters get screen time and development. Alice is the star but the movie does not revolve around her. Alice is not over powered, she does not do everything, she is not the core existance of the movie. Once the first movie did well and she began banging Anderson, she used all of that to get her sway into Apocalypse and the films have turned into the clusterfuck they have since.

That's the reason I despise her. It's just as much her fault as it is Paul's.



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From what I gather from the synopsis, they are retconning nothing, the cities are part of a simulation complex under Moscow. If the series was being retconned, why would we have Battlesuit Jill?


It's quite obvious the film begins where the last one left off with the battle on the ship with Jill. Due to the overwhelming odds, most likely Alice and co. are defeated/captured/killed/whatever after a huge mindless fight scene.

Cut to Alice waking up and "It was all just a dream" and she has her suburban life stuff from the trailer before she finds out from Wesker or whoever that "It was all a dream" in general staged by Umbrella to control her. Key Retcon.

Now basically they can add and remove whatever elements of the previous movies they want to have or not have happened at their leisure.

World barren and destroyed and all water depleted as shown in Extinction causing a problem for the writers? No problem, Retcon means 'that' part never actually happened and was just part of the dream.

That's what I gathered from the trailer and I don't think I'm very far off on that either. Regardless, it's incredibly lazy writing and no amount of it is going to 'fix' the movieverse and make it better.

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IkariWarriorKH wrote:
JokerJo wrote:

I was only pointing that out because you said the films were in your words, 'wrecks'. They might be to those who are expecting a 100% faithful adaptation but if you go in without even comparing them to the games, they are fairly well made action titles.




I don't expect a fully 100% faithful adapation. I've even stated this numerous times before. I just expected something like Outbreak where they show a bunch of normal civilians being thrown into the struggle of the outbreak of the virus etc. It uses the basic plot of RE but establishes itself seperately with new and original chars and can have it's own story that way while incorporating ideas or scenes from the game if it wants while still flowing within the basic continuality of the series regardless of being canon or not.

Hell, the very first movie kinda went this route and I was ok with it. I never really shitted on the first film. It wasn't stellar but I always accepted it as a pretty decent concept for a prequel to RE1 (before Zero came along).

The problem is once Apocalypse came around, they just started becoming absolute shit fests that focues on Mary Sue'ing Alice and making the movies "Alice: The Movie" and holding little relevance to RE itself. I've said it before, watch Ultra Violet and watch Apocalypse back to back. They're essentially the same movie. The only true difference is one has Resident Evil in the title. Take out Resident Evil and you have Ultra Violet. That's the problem. They went so overboard with turning it into their own thing, they alienated the actual fans.

And when you even consider the movie from an objective standpoint with NO bias or relation or care about the games in general, it's still a terrible movie because of it's Mary Sue plotline. Alice is the epitome of the Mary Sue cliche. Every single thing in the entire movieverse is tied to her, revolves around her and requires her to exist. Every good guy loves her and requires her to do everything for them.

No single character can stand on their own or have any character development that is not reliant or stolen by Alice. No character can have a fight scene that doesn't involve Alice getting the finishing blow or having to save their life. No two characters can even develop any true connection or development between each other because all connections and development for any characters, what little they get, are with Alice. And every bad guy considers her the ultimate being they 'need' for whatever purpose they currently hatch and are outright obsessed with her. Again, every single person in the movies is 100% reliant and orbital of Alice bar none.

That is without even considering or caring about the RE aspects of the film. The films in general are just incredibly badly written. The only thing they appeal to is mindless action.

People pay to see lots of explosions and zombies and huge fight scenes. That's about it. Huge explosions, zombies and fight scenes do not make a 'good' movie. Yes, people can walk out of it and have enjoyed it because they got their fill of the mindless action they craved. But, it doesn't make the movie a good 'film' because it does mindless action right. As a 'film' the entire series is a train wreck disaster.


This is my problem with the movies and the reason I despise both Paul and Milla. Because as innocent as you may think Milla is, she's the one who called for all of this stuff in Apocalypse and onward. She's the one who told Paul she wanted to do all the action scenes and have more time focused on her doing all this cool stuff, having the cool powers etc. Again, interviews with both Paul and Milla prove this as they both blatantly admit this stuff. Milla used her marriage to Paul as a way to further her own agenda and turn the movies into her own personal playground with zero regard for the source material or the films themselves.

I have zero respect for the woman for this. Again, watch the original movie. Alice is vastly different in that movie. Other characters get screen time and development. Alice is the star but the movie does not revolve around her. Alice is not over powered, she does not do everything, she is not the core existance of the movie. Once the first movie did well and she began banging Anderson, she used all of that to get her sway into Apocalypse and the films have turned into the clusterfuck they have since.

That's the reason I despise her. It's just as much her fault as it is Paul's.



JokerJo wrote:
From what I gather from the synopsis, they are retconning nothing, the cities are part of a simulation complex under Moscow. If the series was being retconned, why would we have Battlesuit Jill?


It's quite obvious the film begins where the last one left off with the battle on the ship with Jill. Due to the overwhelming odds, most likely Alice and co. are defeated/captured/killed/whatever after a huge mindless fight scene.

Cut to Alice waking up and "It was all just a dream" and she has her suburban life stuff from the trailer before she finds out from Wesker or whoever that "It was all a dream" in general staged by Umbrella to control her. Key Retcon.

Now basically they can add and remove whatever elements of the previous movies they want to have or not have happened at their leisure.

World barren and destroyed and all water depleted as shown in Extinction causing a problem for the writers? No problem, Retcon means 'that' part never actually happened and was just part of the dream.

That's what I gathered from the trailer and I don't think I'm very far off on that either. Regardless, it's incredibly lazy writing and no amount of it is going to 'fix' the movieverse and make it better.


No matter what you or I dislike about something, there's going to be someone who does regardless of what you can say to them. I really do not have the time or patience to write a fucking novel to every reply on this forum, especially over an adaptation series that I dislike the direction of, so I'm just going to reiterate on this;

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At the end of the day it's all down to personal preference and taste.

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JokerJo wrote:
At the end of the day it's all down to personal preference and taste.



When did I state otherwise?


All I did was answer your question as to why the films are a trainwreck of film, why I dislike them personally and why I dislike Milla. And answered your question about how the movie is retcon'ing the other films.

I'm well aware there's plenty of people who like and even love the RE films and they're entitled to. The problem is simply that people laughing at them or calling them shit was being called into question as if they shouldn't be expressing that opinion in the first place.

Even stu was all "So they finally try to fix shit you've been whining about and you still whine". My reply simply pointed out why it's not really fixing anything at all. Then you chimed in.

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As usual, I don't find the trailers impressive. Somehow, I doubt Capcom will let Jill die despite the fight being shown in the trailer. I suspect a more generic way of pulling that P-30 scarab off.


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As usual, I don't find the trailers impressive. Somehow, I doubt Capcom will let Jill die despite the fight being shown in the trailer. I suspect a more generic way of pulling that P-30 scarab off.

Like I said before, Paul's probably going to pull some bullshit where it's going to copy RE5, but Leon pulls it off instead of Chris since apparently Leon and Jill were partners in S.T.A.R.S. before Apocalypse happened. It also wouldn't surprise me if Alice ripped it off with her newly-found-again telekinetic powers.


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Leon won't pull it off or save her. If anyone does, it will be Alice. The movies have been very straight forward in their notion that no one in the movie is actually allowed to do anything of value other than Alice. Or if they start to, Alice has to complete it for them.

Rest Assured anything involving Jill will be directly tied to Alice through and through with Leon and Ada simply being tag alongs there to watch, get in the way or need rescuing by Alice.

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The best thing about these movies was sienna guillory's legs.

You litterally had the best time for posting this.

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There is a scene taken directly from Resident Evil 4 in which Ada points her gun at Leon's back and in turn he pulls his knife on her. Oh, they replaced Leon with Alice. :roll: Of course. :P

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The movies are pretty bad and this one looks bad too and people disagree
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